F$@# high prices build your own Intercooler:)
I did not say our intercooler tank on the Deluxe was "Flawed" I said it is not ideal as I would rather have a smooth bend entering into it from the end. With that said I'd guess there is probably very little to no difference anyway. Looking at the cars we've built that have run the 7's they all had intercooler with inlets/outlets exactly like the deluxe intercooler so it apparently works. THREE cars in the 7's with the same end tank design as the Deluxe actually and another one here at the shop now that we are finishing that will also be well into the 7's.
Your point of the core your using being larger than our deluxe is fine, it is the way it is coming across. It is barely larger 24x3.5x12 it is rated at 1,000 hp from Garrett. The deluxe being or smaller core is 24x3.5x10 and is rated at 775 hp. Our race is 24x12x4 and is rated at 1150 hp. My point is you are making a big deal out of the 2" extra in height when the best thing you could have done is gone thicker as the benefits to doing that are larger.
Also, your core retails for $569.99, I realize you got a deal as you are in some type of wholesale business but you have one of the highest priced cores you could have chosen, so the F%*& high prices is even a poorer subject line. You paid more than our race core costs and you will have more pressure drop and less cooling using that core.........................Taking that into consideration someone copying your idea will have to finish the entire project using that core for less than $189, that is end tanks, bead rolling, welding, tubing, couplings.
Whatever. I made my points. I just find the thread offensive. I don't mind the discussion there is just more to all this than "buy a core, slap some tanks on it and save yourself money while you are making a better product than you can buy".
Good day.
Your point of the core your using being larger than our deluxe is fine, it is the way it is coming across. It is barely larger 24x3.5x12 it is rated at 1,000 hp from Garrett. The deluxe being or smaller core is 24x3.5x10 and is rated at 775 hp. Our race is 24x12x4 and is rated at 1150 hp. My point is you are making a big deal out of the 2" extra in height when the best thing you could have done is gone thicker as the benefits to doing that are larger.
Also, your core retails for $569.99, I realize you got a deal as you are in some type of wholesale business but you have one of the highest priced cores you could have chosen, so the F%*& high prices is even a poorer subject line. You paid more than our race core costs and you will have more pressure drop and less cooling using that core.........................Taking that into consideration someone copying your idea will have to finish the entire project using that core for less than $189, that is end tanks, bead rolling, welding, tubing, couplings.
Whatever. I made my points. I just find the thread offensive. I don't mind the discussion there is just more to all this than "buy a core, slap some tanks on it and save yourself money while you are making a better product than you can buy".
Good day.
Why not just search and find a USED setup of quality parts? I just picked up an AMS Turbo Back, AMS Lower IC pipe, and AMS FMIC for $1,000. I own all of youl.
Stop fighting, price is irrelvant if you know how to shop.
Stop fighting, price is irrelvant if you know how to shop.
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Is there a reason you went with the 3.5" core?
The 4" core that Dave uses in his Race kits is the ****. Nothing else compares.
And at the end of the day, I would still rather buy a pre-built IC that you know is made from the right wall thickness (end tanks) and is welded properly and won't leave you stranded on the side of the road when a poorly fitted joint decides to burst after you just put 30psi through it via 100 work cycles.
The above definately depends on your welder and their experience however.
Also, can you post some pics of the insides of the end tanks where the tubing is attached? There's a few tricks you can do to get some flow and better efficiency just in that area alone.
:thumbsup: for doing things yourself.
The 4" core that Dave uses in his Race kits is the ****. Nothing else compares.
And at the end of the day, I would still rather buy a pre-built IC that you know is made from the right wall thickness (end tanks) and is welded properly and won't leave you stranded on the side of the road when a poorly fitted joint decides to burst after you just put 30psi through it via 100 work cycles.
The above definately depends on your welder and their experience however.
Also, can you post some pics of the insides of the end tanks where the tubing is attached? There's a few tricks you can do to get some flow and better efficiency just in that area alone.
:thumbsup: for doing things yourself.
I went with the 3.5 inch core because I didn't want to seriously molest my bumper nor did I feel it was necessary given the HP ratings of the 3.5 inch core. If my 3.5 inch is rated to 1k hp as DB says, why is the extra half inch needed? Granted it will help it act as a greater heatsink, to me the benefits were not worth the cost.
Cannot post pics of the insides of the endtanks because they are already attached to the core now, will post pics as soon as I get access to a camera!
Scorke
Cannot post pics of the insides of the endtanks because they are already attached to the core now, will post pics as soon as I get access to a camera!
Scorke
Looks like it will work out great. Me personally I would have just bought a precision PIN 053-1515 750-hp 31 1/2 L x 10 5/8 H x 3 1/2 D 2 3/4 for 495.00 rated at 750hp. I even found it for 440.00 on nolimitmotorsports.com
Last edited by mchuang; May 3, 2007 at 10:45 AM.
scorke,
Your title actually does less to incite than you throwing a vendors parts into the same post... That is somewhat offensive to anyone's parts you could have included.
I REALLY, REALLY like to see people built their own parts... whether they succeed or fail, there is a certain satisfaction a man takes from doing things his own way.
BTW Last time I checked, at 18 years old, a man could choose to serve and possibility die for his country. Old fart or not, I take offense to our younger crowd being called "kid". Yes, I'm sure I've said it myself on occasion, but in these times, I find it hard to refer to anyone fitting the above as "kid".
David,
Your thick skin is thinning with age my man. The more gray we get in our hair, the less we should care what others have to say... esp when not directed at our person. I bet a simple PM would have had scorke removing the reference in short order.
To all you people who enjoy arguing on the internet,
BEWARE! There are rules to this site, and we are ALL subject to ANY whim of the site owner. Free speech IS absolutely confined to the rules of this private forum. Those who don't follow the rules, don't have to have access to this site... Vendors have found the same to be true in the past.
Your title actually does less to incite than you throwing a vendors parts into the same post... That is somewhat offensive to anyone's parts you could have included.
I REALLY, REALLY like to see people built their own parts... whether they succeed or fail, there is a certain satisfaction a man takes from doing things his own way.
BTW Last time I checked, at 18 years old, a man could choose to serve and possibility die for his country. Old fart or not, I take offense to our younger crowd being called "kid". Yes, I'm sure I've said it myself on occasion, but in these times, I find it hard to refer to anyone fitting the above as "kid".
David,
Your thick skin is thinning with age my man. The more gray we get in our hair, the less we should care what others have to say... esp when not directed at our person. I bet a simple PM would have had scorke removing the reference in short order.
To all you people who enjoy arguing on the internet,
BEWARE! There are rules to this site, and we are ALL subject to ANY whim of the site owner. Free speech IS absolutely confined to the rules of this private forum. Those who don't follow the rules, don't have to have access to this site... Vendors have found the same to be true in the past.
Last edited by Zeus; May 13, 2007 at 03:56 PM.
From my understanding the flow through the core is proportional to the square of the area. So let us compare what you have proposed....
Case I - increase core height by 2"(what Scorke did)
24x10x3.5 vs 24x12x3.5
In this case you have increased the hot flow by 2"x3.5"=7in^2
So if flow is proportion to the square of the area then you would have an increase in flow of 20%
Case II - increase core thickness by 0.5" (what you proposed and said was better)
24x10x3.5 vs 24x10x4
In this case you have increased the hot flow by .5"x10"=5in^2
So if flow is proportion to the square of the area then you would have an increase in flow of 14%
So we see in such a scenario that hot flow is increased by 20% as compared to 14% by increasing the core height by 2". In Case I we also find we have increased the front surface area by 20% as compared to 0% by increasing the core thickness and knowing that air heats up as it moves through the thickness of the core I am not sure that increasing the core thickness is the best option.
Dave, please let me know your thoughts.
Last edited by 240Z TwinTurbo; May 3, 2007 at 02:27 PM.
That is a very interesting "technical" point. Could you please explain to everyone why this is so.
From my understanding the flow through the core is proportional to the square of the area. So let us compare what you have proposed....
Case I - increase core height by 2"(what Scorke did)
24x10x3.5 vs 24x12x3.5
In this case you have increased the hot flow by 2"x3.5"=7in^2
So if flow is proportion to the square of the area then you would have an increase in flow of 20%
Case II - increase core thickness by 0.5" (what you proposed and said was better)
24x10x3.5 vs 24x10x4
In this case you have increased the hot flow by .5"x10"=5in^2
So if flow is proportion to the square of the area then you would have an increase in flow of 14%
So we see in such a scenario that hot flow is increased by 20% as compared to 14% by increasing the core height by 2". In Case I we also find we have increased the front surface area by 20% as compared to 0% by increasing the core thickness and knowing that air heats up as it moves through the thickness of the core I am not sure that increasing the core thickness is the best option.
Dave, please let me know your thoughts.
From my understanding the flow through the core is proportional to the square of the area. So let us compare what you have proposed....
Case I - increase core height by 2"(what Scorke did)
24x10x3.5 vs 24x12x3.5
In this case you have increased the hot flow by 2"x3.5"=7in^2
So if flow is proportion to the square of the area then you would have an increase in flow of 20%
Case II - increase core thickness by 0.5" (what you proposed and said was better)
24x10x3.5 vs 24x10x4
In this case you have increased the hot flow by .5"x10"=5in^2
So if flow is proportion to the square of the area then you would have an increase in flow of 14%
So we see in such a scenario that hot flow is increased by 20% as compared to 14% by increasing the core height by 2". In Case I we also find we have increased the front surface area by 20% as compared to 0% by increasing the core thickness and knowing that air heats up as it moves through the thickness of the core I am not sure that increasing the core thickness is the best option.
Dave, please let me know your thoughts.
mchuang, correct, that is the best way to do it.
240, you are using numbers for core sizes that you are making up, not the ones we are actually using. Nowhere did I put the dimensions out there you used for your example. Besides that I can't stand you so I have no desire to discuss anything with you, well if you get a terminal illness I'd talk about that
There's another one for your signature.
240, you are using numbers for core sizes that you are making up, not the ones we are actually using. Nowhere did I put the dimensions out there you used for your example. Besides that I can't stand you so I have no desire to discuss anything with you, well if you get a terminal illness I'd talk about that
There's another one for your signature.