What Intercooler??
With all your experience, I'm surprised to see you even "guess" that those pictures are of the T4 H-cover kit. Both of those kits represent their T3 kits which are $3490.
The last thing I ever want to do is come in here and partake in all the negativity that you guys present to the evo community. So I will not name call, nor will I down anybody's products.
I will speak from experience. For all of you who read those threads posted on the other website, I just wanted to let you know that the next time I experience any compressor surge, I will let you know.
The "cheaper" compressor cover works great for me and I'm glad that it saved my broke *** some money. The rust that developed on that particular kit prior to install is not something that I would look forward to, but that is the natural of the material being used. I know that my kit didn't not come to me looking like that. You guys are making comments on the quality/cheapness of the kits? I will comment no further as of now. Keep producing these "cheap" kits ETS. They seem to work just fine for me, and if a problem arises, I know for a fact that I will be taken care of.
The last thing I ever want to do is come in here and partake in all the negativity that you guys present to the evo community. So I will not name call, nor will I down anybody's products.
I will speak from experience. For all of you who read those threads posted on the other website, I just wanted to let you know that the next time I experience any compressor surge, I will let you know.
The "cheaper" compressor cover works great for me and I'm glad that it saved my broke *** some money. The rust that developed on that particular kit prior to install is not something that I would look forward to, but that is the natural of the material being used. I know that my kit didn't not come to me looking like that. You guys are making comments on the quality/cheapness of the kits? I will comment no further as of now. Keep producing these "cheap" kits ETS. They seem to work just fine for me, and if a problem arises, I know for a fact that I will be taken care of.
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We weld with rod and with full penitration on all of the welds. For runner welds that we can't see, we are easier on the penitration. For the Flange to runner welds, we want to have as much penitration as possible, but we don't wan't to drop through.
I don't know how they weld their manifolds at buschurs, but the techniques are probably similar. Buschurs welds at the flange are shinier as they appear to be welded with less heat, and it is a weld between 2 common materials. I do not believe thier welds to be any stronger than ours, but I can't say that they are weaker either.
Regards
JR
I don't know how they weld their manifolds at buschurs, but the techniques are probably similar. Buschurs welds at the flange are shinier as they appear to be welded with less heat, and it is a weld between 2 common materials. I do not believe thier welds to be any stronger than ours, but I can't say that they are weaker either.
Regards
JR
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I know JR doesn't believe in welding the inside of the flange which he says it makes the weld weaker. I can see were that could make the weld weaker. ETS can build anything you need right in house. If you have a slim budget they can work with you. If you have a fatter budget they can make some of the best damm products ive seen to date. There intercoolers are top notch. Lucas posted my aem logs on NABR Forums many thought i had awesome temps for 55 psi. We have many Logs ETS will be posting of cars that are on the street just not on a dyno. I can say that ETS will take care of any problems that may arise plus there customer service is hands down by far the best.
Welders can debate all day long, I deal with it daily from our welders in the shop, I would rather not do it in an INTERCOOLER thread.
JR
I would say it is fairly obvious that the majority did not realize your turbo kits were offered with mild steel flanges as the standard. I would also say it is obvious that the majority of the people didn't know you had mild steel plumbing. All most people see is the low prices and that price is not followed by a disclaimer as to why it is cheaper than some of your competitors. I didn't know any of this and I am guessing from the large amount of PM's I have been getting most other did not either, including some other vendors.
im sad to say this is true. when i bought mine i wasnt informed this. i bought it as a "kit" with the intercooler and such. might be me though, since i didnt read the website. i just bought it off here in one the of the ETS threads, which SS wasnt listed as an option. i hope i dont have rusting issues.
To the poster who accused us of smear tactics. Call it what you like and think what you like. The discussion here and on our forums is going quite smoothly and nothing was pointed out that was no true, so that is not "smearing". From the looks of post #155 my thoughts were correct that some people did not know this. The discussion of the ETS's pricing has come up between other shops quite a few times and non of us were aware of the difference in material being used, now for us and others it is much easier to understand.
Hey I just wanna say one thing.
When me and Chris went to buschur, chris had the 3.5" ETS FMIC on his car and he was running 35 psi of boost on a turbotrix kit (35R)
I had a Perrin fmic on a T4 35R kit from ETS.
Chris's car heated up like 24 degrees or something and David Buschur said that It wasnt performing bad at all. He didnt smear ETS at all, he even said his deluxe and AMS's street cooler would probably perform the same way given the conditions.
My car heated up like 48 degrees and considering it was the same size as chris's cooler and same as buschur deluxe and ams's for the most part, it performed like ****.
Buschur told us to get EITHER his 4" or AMS's 4" and either me or chris mentions ETS made a 4" core as well and he said word for word "well I never tested theirs but if its a good core then thats fine too."
I'm not speaking for anyone in this thread, just saying that Dave himself did not take the opportunity to smear ETS or anyone else. Dave is one of those people who says whatevers hes thinking and makes jokes and talks a lil $hit but damn guys, what the hell are we here for???? Theres nothing wrong with competition. If ETS, Paul, AMS, Buschur, Lucas, etc... saw each other at the track, I dont think it would be weird or anything, I think any of them would help out anyone else if they could when it came down to it. Buschur is a good guy at heart but he talks a lil $hit. But then again i think he can and has the right to. mans been around for like 35 years doing 4G63's.
When me and Chris went to buschur, chris had the 3.5" ETS FMIC on his car and he was running 35 psi of boost on a turbotrix kit (35R)
I had a Perrin fmic on a T4 35R kit from ETS.
Chris's car heated up like 24 degrees or something and David Buschur said that It wasnt performing bad at all. He didnt smear ETS at all, he even said his deluxe and AMS's street cooler would probably perform the same way given the conditions.
My car heated up like 48 degrees and considering it was the same size as chris's cooler and same as buschur deluxe and ams's for the most part, it performed like ****.
Buschur told us to get EITHER his 4" or AMS's 4" and either me or chris mentions ETS made a 4" core as well and he said word for word "well I never tested theirs but if its a good core then thats fine too."
I'm not speaking for anyone in this thread, just saying that Dave himself did not take the opportunity to smear ETS or anyone else. Dave is one of those people who says whatevers hes thinking and makes jokes and talks a lil $hit but damn guys, what the hell are we here for???? Theres nothing wrong with competition. If ETS, Paul, AMS, Buschur, Lucas, etc... saw each other at the track, I dont think it would be weird or anything, I think any of them would help out anyone else if they could when it came down to it. Buschur is a good guy at heart but he talks a lil $hit. But then again i think he can and has the right to. mans been around for like 35 years doing 4G63's.
Hey I just wanna say one thing.
When me and Chris went to buschur, chris had the 3.5" ETS FMIC on his car and he was running 35 psi of boost on a turbotrix kit (35R)
I had a Perrin fmic on a T4 35R kit from ETS.
Chris's car heated up like 24 degrees or something and David Buschur said that It wasnt performing bad at all. He didnt smear ETS at all, he even said his deluxe and AMS's street cooler would probably perform the same way given the conditions.
My car heated up like 48 degrees and considering it was the same size as chris's cooler and same as buschur deluxe and ams's for the most part, it performed like ****.
Buschur told us to get EITHER his 4" or AMS's 4" and either me or chris mentions ETS made a 4" core as well and he said word for word "well I never tested theirs but if its a good core then thats fine too."
I'm not speaking for anyone in this thread, just saying that Dave himself did not take the opportunity to smear ETS or anyone else. Dave is one of those people who says whatevers hes thinking and makes jokes and talks a lil $hit but damn guys, what the hell are we here for???? Theres nothing wrong with competition. If ETS, Paul, AMS, Buschur, Lucas, etc... saw each other at the track, I dont think it would be weird or anything, I think any of them would help out anyone else if they could when it came down to it. Buschur is a good guy at heart but he talks a lil $hit. But then again i think he can and has the right to. mans been around for like 35 years doing 4G63's.
When me and Chris went to buschur, chris had the 3.5" ETS FMIC on his car and he was running 35 psi of boost on a turbotrix kit (35R)
I had a Perrin fmic on a T4 35R kit from ETS.
Chris's car heated up like 24 degrees or something and David Buschur said that It wasnt performing bad at all. He didnt smear ETS at all, he even said his deluxe and AMS's street cooler would probably perform the same way given the conditions.
My car heated up like 48 degrees and considering it was the same size as chris's cooler and same as buschur deluxe and ams's for the most part, it performed like ****.
Buschur told us to get EITHER his 4" or AMS's 4" and either me or chris mentions ETS made a 4" core as well and he said word for word "well I never tested theirs but if its a good core then thats fine too."
I'm not speaking for anyone in this thread, just saying that Dave himself did not take the opportunity to smear ETS or anyone else. Dave is one of those people who says whatevers hes thinking and makes jokes and talks a lil $hit but damn guys, what the hell are we here for???? Theres nothing wrong with competition. If ETS, Paul, AMS, Buschur, Lucas, etc... saw each other at the track, I dont think it would be weird or anything, I think any of them would help out anyone else if they could when it came down to it. Buschur is a good guy at heart but he talks a lil $hit. But then again i think he can and has the right to. mans been around for like 35 years doing 4G63's.
To the poster who accused us of smear tactics. Call it what you like and think what you like. The discussion here and on our forums is going quite smoothly and nothing was pointed out that was no true, so that is not "smearing". From the looks of post #155 my thoughts were correct that some people did not know this. The discussion of the ETS's pricing has come up between other shops quite a few times and non of us were aware of the difference in material being used, now for us and others it is much easier to understand.
I just have something to say that I hope you can answer honestly and in a professional manner. If this isn't a smear campaign according to you, then WTF is the point of finding every little nook and cranny to ***** about and point out of other companies? It seems apparent that you have some kind of inner child beef with EVERYTHING ETS does. Why don't you continue doing what you do in your own shop and leave the nitpicking to those that actually BUY the products they want? I'm just getting tired of your nit-picking lately with a fine tooth comb. I'm sure I speak for many people when I say that... I have the utmost respect for a lot of people but this is just pushing my "getting pissed off" button lately...
Cheers-
Erich
wicked E, if you honestly think after typing something to me like you just did with the crappy attitude and swearing in it that I am going to answer you professionally you are_____________. Too many options to fill in that blank.
You aren't even worth answering, how's that?
You aren't even worth answering, how's that?
I would think bumper design(Evo 8 vs Evo 9) would have a big impact on cooling efficiencies for the various intercoolers, especially on the dyno where airflow is at a premium. There are several variables that will come into play to really get useful data on which intercooler is better. OR, a very big database with repeatable results time and time again.
I have a very large database of cars that I have tuned dubbleugly01. Just using the individual AEM owners I have tuned I have over 200 individual owners. As long as the owner of the AEM used an AIT sensor I have data for them. There are of course more poplular FMIC's out there, such as ours our AMS's so I get to see them come through the door time and time again. Posting the same data over and over for the same FMIC gets redundant and makes it look like I am bragging on ours or AMS's as they are by far the most popular. I posted a request here on EVOm for anyone who I have tuned to contact me so I can post data from all the FMIC's I have tuned.
The good thing about the air flow on the dyno is it's very consistent. I use two fans, one which was intentionally positioned to blow directly onto the front of the FMIC's when the car is loaded on the dyno. The fans I have put out 48 mph winds that blow directly onto the FMIC. There is a video we made here on EVOm to show/verify this using a wind speed meter. Doing this atleast makes for consistent testing.
The good thing about the air flow on the dyno is it's very consistent. I use two fans, one which was intentionally positioned to blow directly onto the front of the FMIC's when the car is loaded on the dyno. The fans I have put out 48 mph winds that blow directly onto the FMIC. There is a video we made here on EVOm to show/verify this using a wind speed meter. Doing this atleast makes for consistent testing.