He guy's David does sell a awesome Aero package for the the front and rear much better priced than the beat rush. I'm going to be running it on my drag car this year

https://secure.buschurracing.com/cat...704bff174d74d7

 

quick question....


so exactly hopw bad is my Deluxe comepared to the Race? only reason i bought the Deluxe over the Race is because i got it right when the race came out and no one was installing the race with the stock bumper on there soi went with the deluxe.

 

Thank you ifarted, I appreciate that.

deadbeatrec, there are numbers up for the Deluxe and Race FMIC's in that link that I posted here. Just go over and take a look, you will see the difference. It is pretty substantial. Everyone here at the shop recommends the Race FMIC to customers first, then if the customer just refuses to go that route we will sell them the deluxe. We have discontinued the Standard FMIC kit completely.

 

what is the difference between the two (SS and mild steel besides price) any direct effect to peferomance

 

I see you visited our website.

The difference between this one pictured and ours. The part pictured is quite a bit heavier, it has the chance of rusting internally and eventually will because it is not coated inside. The polished finish on our SS plumbing also helps to reflect engine bay heat and help keep the charge air inside the pipe cooler.

 

aren't intercoolers supposed to be tested with a temp sensor at both ends of the intercooler itself? It seems to me that if they are not tested this way you end up testing other variables such as intercooler piping. I figured that you see this as the only correct way to test intercoolers. Are there any other independent tests around that test some of the top intercoolers in the correct fashion?

 

David i know that ETS sells both and lets the customer know there options based on there budget. They have never hid anything and have always told there customer what the ups and downs are. None of this has ever been a secret.

 

Paul hit it on the nose We offer both to allow our customers to choose what's most important, but the majority of our customers prefer the powder coated steel piping for cost savings. This is on a part that, in our opinion, will make no more power in SS than it will in steel. We offer as many options on as many features possible to let our customers decide their preference.

To reference the IC testing, our recently acquired AWD Dynojet will facilitate the kind of testing that you guys are seeking We'll be hard at work to that end for the remainder of the winter and early spring doing R&D. I'm personally looking forward to significant and objective results for the betterment of the community

Tom

 

Yes, if you wanted to know the temperature drop across the intercooler it would be important to test inlet and outlet temps. It would also be important to test inlet and outlet pressures.

The post I have on our site is NOT a scientific test and it states that if you take the time to read it. What it is is real world datalogs from different outside temps, different days, different size turbos etc. What it does show is the temperature increase after the intercooler. In the real world, if I had one thing to pay attention to that will make the most difference, it would be that number.

At the beginning of the pull the air temps coming out of the intercooler should be pretty close to ambient, at the end of a pull you want that temp to stay as close to the starting temp as you possibly can get it. That is what the data I am giving shows. Also gives reference for peak boost as higher boost pressures make more heat and the lag as a car running from 3,000 rpm to 7,000 rpm but not making boost until 6,000 rpm isn't going to have a bunch of heat increase.

I would say it is fairly obvious that the majority did not realize your turbo kits were offered with mild steel flanges as the standard. I would also say it is obvious that the majority of the people didn't know you had mild steel plumbing. All most people see is the low prices and that price is not followed by a disclaimer as to why it is cheaper than some of your competitors. I didn't know any of this and I am guessing from the large amount of PM's I have been getting most other did not either, including some other vendors.

I didn't point out anything on our site that isn't true, so I guess we are all good.

 

Would you want a 30k plus car with these parts on them

http://buschurforums.com/forum/showp...9&postcount=33

http://buschurforums.com/forum/showp...0&postcount=34

So $5150 for rusty metal, I dunno what kit is posted there, but I got my $ from ETS web site for a T4 H-cover kit.

Remember I am just asking WTF here guys?

 

The turbo kit in the picture is our t3 platform kit, and yes, all of our kits use steel flanges as std. This is no secret, and neither is the steel intercooler piping, of which we fully believe in. The steel flanges will rust, however that rust is quite excessive. My thought is that the kit is in an enviorment with alot of propane or natural gas heat,as that is the only thing that rusts things like that over here.We do offer SS piping as options, as do we offer the SS flanges, please see our web page for the info.

http://www.extremeturbosystems.com/p...objv8dpjprlpm3

the cost is not 5150, it is $3490

Thanks,
JR

 

Props to ETS for keeping it professional despite the smear campaign.

 

Oh ok man. Either way the manifold looks poor compaired to Buschurs. Do you offer a manifold welded like Buschurs?

Welds like yours could crack no? I am just asking here cause my buddy had a friend of ours make him a manifold for his Audi and it broke with welds like that, were the weld was to hot and penitration went all the way through to the bottom. He fixed it but still.....

 

The only thing I wanna know is why The Evo and the 1g Get the RACE core and the 2g dsm gets the regular 24X11X3.5" core. I have been looking for a performance orientated Garrett core/intercooler setup for a while now and nobody wants to sell them for a 2g dsm, why? This question is for BR.

 

With all your experience, I'm surprised to see you even "guess" that those pictures are of the T4 H-cover kit. Both of those kits pictured represent their T3 kits which are $3490.
The last thing I ever want to do is come in here and partake in all the negativity that you guys present to the evo community. So I will not name call, nor will I down anybody's products.
I will speak from experience. For all of you who read those threads posted on the other website, I just wanted to let you know that the next time I experience any compressor surge, I will let you know. As of now, I haven't experienced any compressor surge and I don't see any reason for it to start happening in the future. The "cheaper" compressor cover works great for me and I'm glad that it saved my broke *** some money. The rust that developed on that particular kit prior to install is not something that I would look forward to, but that is the natural of the material being used. I know that my kit didn't come to me looking like that. You guys are making comments on the quality/cheapness of the kits? I will comment no further as of now. Keep producing these "cheap" kits ETS. They seem to work just fine for me, and if a problem arises, I know for a fact that I will be taken care of.