when you post a "test" with not even close to a baseline and no proof just numbers it doesn't mean anything. i know most of the people on this board will look at a number and believe it, but believe it your not some people are smart enough to demand factual information that can be backed up

 

Woah!

Dave I read your test and I take my hat off to you for posting the data. In my opinion vendors should be FORCED to provide real data on their products. When ETS released their intercoolers I asked for data and they gave me the dimensions!

AMS should step up and put out some intercooler data as well since they probably sell one every day of the year.

One question though, wouldn't ambient temps have a huge effect on the data?

 

You are such a punk. What vendor is putting out any data? The data DB put out is what it is. If anyone is so stupid to think DB's data is the end all and be all of intercooler testing then they deserve whateve they get. Although if they go on that premise they'll end up with BR race core which won't have been a bad choice anyway lol!

 

To add to things, my APS intercooler runs about 10 degrees celcius over ambient with a 2.4 GT35R at 2 bar or so of boost. I used to have my intake temp sensor on the inlet manifold, and I think that contributed to high readings. When I switched to the Magnus race intake manifold I moved the sensor pre-throttle body and the temps went down a good amount from previous.

 

are you kidding me? there are alot of vender's that will include logs to back up there tests, im sure david is planning to put logs with his #'s(god i hope so) i just wish he would have waited until he had them temp logs with the numbers before he posted a test like this up

 

I think running 172 at 9.0 is a joke if you ask me.
My first year of racing how many do you have? I'm sure that cover of DSport must have you putting a smile on your face

 

 

I would love to have martin put up some tests but I think what most of you are looking for are some data on the ETS units and we have not tuned any cars here with an ETS core so I cannot provide any data.

based on logging we have done here on our units and comparing them to what dave has with our cores the AMS numbers don't look that far off. His results on our race core are NUTS!

Eric

 

David's 9yr old son just read that and asked how you would know because you've never gone that fast.

On a side note you should also remember... we were the first to go 8's and we've visited the 8's numerous times since then.

 

Time will tell this next race season i have no doubt we will be there. Ive feel ive done a awesome job for 1 year of doing this

 

Any dumbass can get on a forum and type in numbers, REAL data comes in the form of logs posted so people can see the ACTUAL numbers for themselves not what dumbass stated the numbers are.

For Example:

Starting AIT, 79.60
Ending AIT, 105.00
Peak boost, 5000.27 psi
20 psi at 3211 rpm


Edit: Im not saying Davids a dumbass

 

but you did just call him a liar no?

 

The good thing about farts is they float away and dissapear. Wah, I only raced one year, wah. I heard you blowing off your blowhard mouth at Sema. I got to laugh my *** off. " Passerby at D-sport booth. " Whats it run.? "you, oh I was taking it easy getting used to the car and my mph has not been much over 156 and a mid to low 9. When I decide to run it hard I will run past mid 8's and the high part of a 175." What a joke. Anyone can speculate. Until you do it, you are no different than anyone else. You think Dave cars about your car on the cover? Take a look at BR's shop and how many magazines their cars have been in. Most people have a short shot at fame. Enjoy yours. If you do set records and go on to be a big wheel deal in the import arena. Congrats. Continueing to disrespect other shops and people doesn't do much for your credibility. There is a time to be humble and a time to shine. And who gives a **** if it makes 2000 hp on a dynojet. Numbers are pointless. Unless you can use real numbers.

 

No infact I didn't even call him a liar.
What I ment is why should we believe that those are actual numbers when all it is, is someone typing them in?

Its like believing Hilary Clinton when she says once she becomes president she will pull the troops and there will be no violence towards the US after that.

 

Since all the critics are from the same two states with the same signatures, I am going to ignore it.

As you can see, AMS is in here, viewed the post I made and feel the numbers I am posting are fair for their products.......

Posting AEM logs requires everyone to have or to download AEM software to view them, then I have to post them in such a way that the AFR's and timing cannot be viewed, I don't even know how'd I'd manage that. If I just take a screen shot of the rpm/boost/ait's there is no way to scroll across the log and see the numbers, so that won't help either. So there is no way for me to post an actual log.

The ambient temps are not mentioned as I have no way of knowing what any of them are, they are not in my logs, I don't use two AIT's, just one and they are usually (if not always) mounted in the upper i/c pipe after the FMIC. If you view the data I have posted on our site you'll see some of the logs start at 44 degrees and some start at 100 degrees. You can kind of guess that the ambient air temp is close to the starting AIT's I have posted. For the dyno runs I save I usually give the car a decent cool down period. The FMIC has a chance to cool off and then I make the last pull. So the starting AIT's are close to what ambient is or atleast will reflect if it was a hot, mild or cold day to begin with.

If anyone with an IQ of even 1 takes the time to look at the information and compare it they will see I did not target "their hero" whoever that may be. I have a few examples up there of our own stuff that did not do very well. Had I wanted it to be one sided I could have just used our race stuff, not mentioned the 1G core that sucked or made up crap to post. Instead I do as I always do and posted factual numbers, good or bad.

As I said, do what you want with the information. For the dumb one's you will live in your glass bubble and learn nothing.