I like the truth in advertising Geoff. Thanks for contributing that info. But this leads me to a big question that alot of us may have. If a person's intention is to auto-x or just have a great daily driver and that person would be happy with WHP and torque numbers in the 400-500 range, then is there any advantage in spending the money on the Full Race setup? I know that it is high quality and gives a person room to grow, but if the dragstrip is not important (no need to go to 35R or bigger) then hasn't the green given equal or better spool response and some good numbers in that 400-500 range? The best/most recent I can think of on the Green is 443 whp and 507 ft lbs on Buschur's Mustang dyno. No telling what that could have been on a Dynojet. Yes it was on import and meth with alot of tuning and testing, but I would think that 400+ would be possible without the import fuel. I know that Full Race makes a great product, but is it worth it spending the money if you know that you will not go bigger later?

Thanks

 

EvoDan2004, thanks for taking the time and sharing your results. It looks like there's about every turbine and compressor option imaginable. It's always difficult to satisfy every possible tune and parts-combination. It also takes a lot of time to just complete one phase of a test and to do it well. Again, thanks for sharing your results. Keep up the good work.
jmsrx, the 443 and 507 were just the final tune, after smoothing. Actual dyno on one of the pulls was 513wtq/445 whp. Just for future reference.

 

Thanks for the correction. I just figured that you wanted to go with the smoothed out numbers since that was what you were going to stick with (for now ).

 

I think Geoff needs to sponsor a "flog day", where everybody gets to beat on a ts evo for 5 minutes or something. It seems like thats the only way to really make people understand its all about the response.

Great numbers evodan!

 

should be very interesting, even MORE interesting once people can actually buy the housing youre going to be using

that is a question you need to ask yourself. If you dont need a 30R size turbo (or bigger) and want something smaller, thats what the green is. If you are expecting to make big power on it, $22/gallon VP import racefuel combined with meth and extensive tuning on a built motor does not make alot of sense for most enthusiasts and applications. the green is a much smaller turbo than a 30R, so it will spool faster. It works well for what it is, but its never going to have the compressor or turbine flow of a larger turbo. If you throw meth + import + built motor on a 30R and turn the boost way up, youll be in the mid to high 500s, but the turbo will be strung out much like the Green you mentioned. It all depends on what you ultimately want. In my mind, most people are going to buy a tubular manifold, upgrade the o2 hsg and downpipe, improve their IC and charge piping, step up their BOV, etc. So why not just get the right parts the first time, so you dont have to buy all those parts twice? ... conversely you might be content with just a bit more power so the green on a stock manifold with better o2 hsg and dp is what you need. only you can decide that.

That being said, in my experience (and based on what we've seen from our customers) you always will want to go bigger, and most want more top end than even a 30R can put out, so it really is ultimately up to you and what your goals/needs are.

great idea, now if only someone else sponsored me an evo we could have something to discuss lol

 

You can Mod my Evo if you'd Like. I am right here in NJ, I have an IX MR, MIVEC will really make that 35R sing, PM ME

 

Geoff, I agree to a point. I would call it 'No Excuse Racing'. I haven't seen very many valid excuses start off with, "Yeah, but I could do that too, if I wanted to turn the boost up and tune it more." It is called racing and getting the most out of any part is the name of the game. It's time to see the 30R make the big numbers and be pushed to the limits too. I absolutely think it can be done, I'm just tired of hearing about the 'yeah, buts....' and finally get the results that it 'could' do. I'm not bashing, as that's not my style, I just want to see real results for racers, not just 'street modders'. Let's push it and see where it maxes out.

 

I'd love to see someone log boost to measure response; that is a key point to a twin scrool design after all! Take a car with a regular single scroll, then a twin scroll, drive at a constant 3000, 3500, 4000 rpms or so, and floor it. Log how fast the boost ramps up.

 

Just to clear the air, no flogging on my part. I just want a good comparison. I am interested in this for myself as I will be going with either the Green or a TS 3076 setup once I start modifying. I admitted earlier in this thread that Full Race makes an excellent product and I am very grateful to EvoDan for posting the info since we did not have alot of data available on the TS 30R. And I do not want to compare the Green to a large turbo (35R or bigger). I do not consider the 3076 a large turbo. It is advertised as a quick spooling setup that has more power potential than the Green. I will do alot of things to my vehicle that will seem to be overkill but will simply be done for peace of mind. My motor will be built (2.0), head ported, running meth, and some in depth tuning will be done. I will not run VP import but will want a map for 93 and for 100 octane. So the question still stands: Will a TS 3076 with the complete Full Race kit (manifold, VFMIC, piping, etc) outperform a similarly outfitted vehicle with an FP Green and stock ported manifold? I want to look at spool time, whp, torque, and room for fudge factors. Which one wins, or do we just not have the data yet. We have great info from OKIX and 9sec9 on the potential for the Green. And I don't think that they have it maxed out quite yet. I hope to know the answers to these burning questions by the time I'm ready to mod.

Thanks for everyones hard work to get the info that we do have on both these setups. And thank you for sharing.

 

I would say with pretty good certainly, yes. BUT, now the question becomes: how much better and is it worth the price difference to you?

 

I would also say the 3076 TS should make more power than the Green. My problem is that it's always a what if.. instead of someone pushing it. For some reason, other vendors get hammered for making a generalized statement about a product, without supporting proof. I just think it's time we put the TS30R or TS35R maximum performance to bed, once and for all. The HTA35 has been dyno'd and pushed to near max, because the racers and modders wanted to see it. I'm also a RACER and a modder and have put my own hard dollars into proving a turbo and setup. I don't like those results being put down, just because we choose to be real racers and exploit every part and capability of our setup. In my line of thinking, that's what racers do. If a vendor has a turbo and makes a generalized statement, then prove it. Buschur does, so can FullRace. I love the quality of their products, as well as the TS design. I even wanted TS when I built the Pandamonium car. It's just time to see maxed results for those of us who actually race and aren't just modders. There's plenty of racers who want to see these results. Afterall, it only takes 15 minutes to go from full race (no pun intended) to fully streetable. Boost knob, remap, air in the tires. You see, it's possible to have both.

 

ok guys. the car is apart getting the 35r ready for install. here is the deal now. geoff and i have decided to test the .78, .82. 1.06 hotsides for the 35r. we will do all of them. then when my block is built over the winter we will be testing 4 other turbos with all there hotside options. but the bigger turbo part is probly going to be around spring time. for now just the 35r and its 3 hotside options. g2g lots of work to do a new thread will be made.

 

Good stuff

 

Nice setup...I hope I don't miss my 30R setup Looks like you had a fun day at 1320 performance.

 

As far as the green is concerned, people are fogetting how much torque that it makes not to mention the mid range that sucker has. It has also gone tens. No doubt that the gt3076 has more peak power, I just don't see it having the mid range.

Go Big or go home, GT35R is indeed the turbo in question. Now I would love to see a twin scroll HTA, any chance of that?