Why is it whenever Dave gets in Paul's threads it always turns into a pissing match? I have an idea, both Paul and Dave need to take some pictures of there wieners and see who has the biggest one, that will stop all the pissing and moaning on who is better or not.

Enough with the pissing contest with Dave and Lucas/Paul, this **** gets really old really quick! Dave, your a grown man, act it man. We all know your the **** and you can build some badass stuff. But in the past some of your products were crap, and you have learned from it. Thats all these guys are doing, learning. So get off there backs already! I'm tired of reading nothing but negative **** from you Dave, you were never like this before, wtf happened to you this past couple of years? It seems to me ever since the deal at the NOPI event with you getting protested you became this pissed off guy and everyone is going to get it..
It's not too often that I will get in a thread like this and speak my mind, but this is going on too far. Both Paul and Dave need to just back off each other and let things be.


Now back on topic you batches!!!!




















































PS, my wiener is the biggest of all, muhahahahhahah

 

Thanks for the kind words Paul, I hope we both can have a decent rematch with both of our cars on full kill and not have any problems. Seems the 2 times we have raced either I had issues with my car and you ran good, or you had issues with yours and I ran good lol.

Keep trucking away at the project man, your getting there, but just remember don't get ahead of yourself, take your time and you will realize you will start to go faster.

 

Ted:

First off i dont believe that i passed any recommendations to anybody. I am simply stating that there are people this coming season that are going to try and see how they work out. I also posted a couple quotes off the manufactures websites regarding the issue. I never said that it will work for sure and nobody has anything to worry about.

Now let me ask you this. Why is it that 8000 horsepower Top Fuel Funny Cars and Top Fuel Dragster don't use Ti rods. Why is it that they all use Aluminum rods? And please don't say they just throw them away after every run because that is far from true. Even though not quite the same my family has been working on Top Fuel Drag Boats since i was 4 years old so i have seen how many times parts are used over and over again you would be surprised.

Ted this is in no way me trying to question your knowledge because as far as im concerned you are one of the few that i take what you say very seriously.

 

Hey ive been a good boy!

 

Please explain why??

 

Funny thing is, its not about us sakriding Lucas/ETS/Paul or anyone, cause there are alot more people on evom that think & feel the same way, we just sack up and say something while everyone else is too ***** to say anything, thats all, or they put up w/ it. This isnt an attack on you, just a comment about what you said.

 

I think the saying goes something like this “It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool (*****) than it is to speak up and remove all doubt”
I am just speaking for all the Non-sackriders on evom,so don't take this too personal.
Have a nice day and play nice now boys

 

Its called passive aggressive... It usually carries over into everyday life and its not about how you act on the forums. No offense taken, just stating a fact. Some people don't care, and I respect that, but some do and don't say anything and that is what I was addressing.

 

Hold on here a minute. I do not follow Paul around as you said on page 4, post #60. I didn't come to this thread until a customer I just built a motor for, USP, posted a question about an engine build. I answered him, did not bash anyone and have stayed polite. I didn't get pissed off until Lucas's post which was #50, it was cocky, out of line and he was the butthole first here. So those of you bashing me for being cocky, it started with your boy Lucas's post #50. I was quite polite before that.

 

evileagle, if you think I've gotten WORSE in the last few years you are completely wrong, I'm so freaking mellow now compared to years in the past. You just haven't been around long enough.

Also, Paul hasn't said a darn mean word anywhere in this thread. Don't drag him into this.

Last but not least, I want to clear some things up here as I was pissed off last night and it kept me up as usual thinking.

First off, there are some VERY VERY low quality steel rods on the market. Eagle's are one of them, we don't use, sell or recommend them at all anymore. When power levels were low (under 500 crank) they worked fine, over that they are junk. I can't sell a rod to a guy who wants to make 400 today but might want to make 600 next year and then have an engine failure. There are other rods out there that are crap too. Bad rods ruin bearings. They move, shift, distort etc. My guess is that's the problem some of these guys are having with steel rods.

Crower makes an exceptional steel rod. We ran 8's on them, bearings looked NEW when the engine came out of the car. We went to aluminum in hopes of making some additional power/rpm etc., they made NO change in bearing wear for us and made no additional power. (the rods are only slightly lighter than the Crowers but at 11,000 rpm it all helps.)

Al's car we switched to aluminum rods this year. He broke a Crower rod and that's the only reason I switched. Rod bearings were all perfect, the beam broke.

My car was recently switched to see how they will work on a 700+ whp street car. I've been told for the last 5 years to use them on the street and I've always been chicken. It's my own car, it's time to test it.

USP had an engine he recently sent us back, let him chime in on how great the rod bearings looked. That engine has been as fast as 9.30's 3 years ago and never was touched, Crower rods. He requested an aluminum rod motor, that's what he's running of ours now.

Last but not least. The pictures of the bearings in my car. First off, the pistons/rods were taken out, filthy dirty and set on the floor. I took pictures to show how great they are. Looking at closer at the pictures they looked worse than they actually were. So this morning I came in and simply wiped the filth off the bearings with a paper towel. Here is a picture of them just wiped off:



As you can see now they look very good.

Now every single engine I assemble the bearings a polished before they are installed and the specs are checked. This is a very light polishing, done by hand. I took the bearings out of the rods, polished them as I would every set of bearings I install and then set them back in the rods. As you can see now the bearings look absolutely brand new. I wouldn't be afraid to run these another 2 years.



So there's the PROOF of what I am saying rather than just argueing about it. As you can see the "checking" on the bearings, as I said before, was from the coolant contamination. If it wasn't it wouldn't simply wipe off with a standard polishing.

The only reason I'd recommend an aluminum rod engine to anyone, AT THIS TIME, is if you are planning to run 800+ whp (on OUR dyno) and 10,000 rpm. The reason I'd recommend that is the one rod breakage we had on Al's car.

 

Don't want to get involved in the battle here, but just would like to state that steel rods do work in high hp/rpm engines as well. We have made numerous runs/dyno passes with an evo with 10k+ rpms and 50+psi and bearings are just fine.... Were actually trying to kill the motor but it wont die. It's amazing how much abuse it can take but keeps going.
Wish we could say the same about our driveline parts.

Alum rods are very good as well.. Each rod has it's advantages...
Although we don't use the groden's.

 

Our bearings look just like daves with a simple wipe of paper towel or scotch pad.
Then they go right back in the engine.

 

The motor that came out of my car from BR had 3 years worth of abuse at 700+whp.. The only reason the motor came apart was a cracked cylinder.. The car was pushing water while i was running 9.6's and i thought it to be the headgasket and just kept running it til it finally pushed coolant in the oil.. i put a headgasket on the car and come to find out the wall was split.. I dont beleive this to be anything having to do with tuning or engine building but just fatigue of being beaten year after year.. When i pulled everything apart bearings were in good shape..

 

Come on now you know the daily newspaper does the best job.

 

Well we were running the Oliver steal rods in the past. Which I think is a good rod but I really don't know.

The bearings look great in your last pic.

Thanks for some reason why we or others may have problems and not just saying your motors are the best.

I may have been more blatant in this thread on picking on Dave, but Dave has been making hints and picking on us now for a few mons and its just gets old. If he is here to help us then great and if not just leave us alone. This is the Tech side of EvoM which is to learn.