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Any video or pics of the car???

 

Not only no but **** no on the timing maps.

 

We are so busy at the shop I didn't even think to take a video. It's a white EVO with no wing and my old set up, so other than the wheels it looks just like my RS did.

I'm sure when Eric gets the car back he will put some picture and video's up.

 

Evodan... here is a hint. Run as much timing as you can.

My guess is at 30 psi on 93 your around a few degrees advance or less at peak boost.

But I'm not a tuner I just stayed at a Holiday Inn last nite

 

your lucky i cant give you some hints.

it was just a long shot. knowing how dave is i knew he would say no but i wanted to ask. maybe he would. just a question i wanted to ask. i know the guy dont like me but again. i was just asking. he said no and that was it.

 

im sure the more boost on pump the less timing. but how much is what i wanted to see. i know its a tuning thing and its his tunes which are respectably secret as every tuners should be. but i just thought i would ask. to get an idea. sorry i asked.

 

I don't have any problem with you at all evodan2004. There is just no way in hell I am posting my timing map or any other portion of my maps.

I know there is some clown sitting in his chair right now reading that talking smack about "what I think I know" and "I'm not all that". That's fine and maybe my maps aren't that special. I know there an awful lot of EVO's running big numbers and not having problems though.

So there is just no way I am posting any part of any map. Sorry. No hard feelings on my end for you asking though.

 

The timing map that is in the car I tuned today would blow up 90% of the cars it was installed in, no doubt about it. The timing was considerably higher than I am use to seeing on pump gas at 31 psi. That's another reason to not post timing maps, what works in one car will blow the head off another one.

 

Is that a threat

If Dave said 1 degree at peak boost, it would be meaningless. If he said 10 degrees up top, it would be meaningless. There is no way that map would translate to anything else but that car. If it did, Dave would be doing mail in flashes for all these big hp tunes.

Think of it this way, just changing a cam a degree or two could drastically effect what volume of air is getting in the cylinders, and therefore how much advance you can run. So many factors.

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wow look at that torque! flat line...must feel like a true beast.

 

That's a good point crcain, the more I concentrate on this pump gas tuning the more I think we stumbled onto something with this BF272 cam grind. It seems as though (and makes perfect sense) that this cam is playing a huge roll in the ability to make these numbers.

 

no its not a threat. i just cant seem to control my temp lately and find my self getting points and speaking my mind and some cry about it. truth and open talking has become a big deal. not only in the forums but all over the world. are kids will have no freedom of speech. i can go on but no point as someone will tip me off and ill be in the hole.

i know the maps are made per car. but there will be a different from a car running 93oct on 25psi to a car on 93oct on 31psi. i just wanted to get and idea of the difference. dave does not want to post and i respect that 100%. it was just a long shot. i dident want no one to bash his map as he said because others will pick and peal it apart cause its not to there liking.

 

i personally think its good head porting design and good cams. but im just a truck driver. so i could be way wrong. sorry for the up ror

 

how long is the wait is for this build, and how much time does it take to do it. i want this for my car more than ever now. the fact you dont have to waist time looking for race gas before you go in the track or trying to hook up meth injection and somethings not working right. i like to just go and race.

 

VE and scavenging go hand in hand in keeping lower cylinder head temps which also directly affect what is possible. Cams that alter what the dynamic compression ratio (duration and centerline both...as well as other setup) will allow things like 31psi on pump. Engine control is probably the most critical that I can see in this. You dont see this happening on anything but AEM and Autronic and I dont suspect that you will for quite awhile.