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If you like the look of Defi's but dont wanna spend that much, STRI makes gauges that look almost identical to Defi's for half the price. From what I have read they are really decent gauges too

 

Matt, Pete has gone thru all the steps to do this proper. The last thing you want to is get smoked by a guy with a green and meth. 9sec9's kid is running 10's on his green. Listen to Pete you want quick spool and dependability for a dd. With a tube manifold you run a very high risk of cracking over the long haul. The way these short headers are built there is alot of thermal variation ei. they do not expand at the same rates per legnth of cut tube and tend to crack. Stainless is very prone to this. Also I noticed some are not back purging the welds which is asking for trouble later on in its lifespan. The only ones I have seen hold up are Full Race, Shearer and Buschur and no amount of lifetime warranty will be good if the company is not around to back it up. That is why I agree with Pete on this one, a cast manifold will live forever, dont get caught up in the latest trick kit at the moment and go with something that has been proven for thousands of miles and will give you trouble free service.

 

Since your not naming certain names i wont do that either. Ive had the 67trim and 42 kit, now have the 45r kit. The 67 trim i daily drove ran 145 mph and 9.72 et. For about 15k in miles and 300plus times to the drag strip with no problems whatsoever. I had no problems with the 42r kit with a ton of abuse 100plus runs at the track and 50 plus dyno pulls. I started out with another Vendor in here and several problems right off the get go from compressor surge to parts not fitting right to crack in the wastegate area but i wont name names.

Now when it comes to being around for awhile to back up there warranty i know for a fact ETS is debt free and pays cash for there equipment. Employees are paid very well there. JR with ETS has made the right moves to make his company grow right from paying cash for a dyno to coming out with new products every week. ETS JR's family has been in business for over 30plus years and back ETS all the way. With what i know of business they are on the right track. There is never any guarantees but this is what i would look for in a company that i want to spend my hard earned bones with. They and AMS i have seen the best customer service hands down.

Now when it comes to another another vendor in here they repeatedly talk about selling the company over and over again if someone would buy it. If that were to happen who knows what would happen to the warranty's. On top of that all ive seen is allot of unprofessional behavior to customers and fellow vendors since ive been a member here for 2 years.

 

This was an open statment of facts and opinion as requested. It does not point any fingers at any one company. Stainless tube headers do crack and will fail over time that is a fact. There are alot of companies that are trying to take advantage of the big Evo aftermarket boom. That is great that ETS has the financial backing and I wish them much sucess. As Dan Gurney said " smart cats breed smarter cats" inovation in the industry is a good thing. If you took this personaly you shouldnt have. As to your statment of Mr. Buschur that was a statment made from frustration of seeing his hard work whored out and his buisness rep constantly slammed on this forum, you know it and I know it, and I know you would not put up with all that BS if it was directed at you. The main reason Buschur customers are loyal is because the man takes care of business period. Say what you want about his people skills but the mans record and achievements can not be questioned. Sorry for straying off topic but I believe all the main companies here have alot to contribute to the industry and will only push each other to build better components and we the consumers benefit from their hard work.

 

Your points directed at ifarted (should change your name to "icrappedonanothethread") are 100% correct. Let me point out to YOU ifarted, that I have been here for 19 years. That's longer than ANYONE else on this board, much-much longer. I don't know what/who anyone else's comments were directed at but I can tell for sure what yours was directed at again and once again it was starting trouble with me.

I get sick and tired of crap like you are attempting to start on a daily basis and it does make me wish there was something else I could spend my time doing other than this. The fact of the matter is I have proven myself for the last 19 years and it's quite obvious I'm not going anywhere. Come and talk to me when you and ETS are still around after 19 years being loyal to the same 4G63 platform you started with, then we'll talk. From what I know I've been doing this since the owner of ETS was what, 6 or 7 years old?

I am not attacking ETS, I am replying to your comments directed at me and my "staying power".

You want to talk about unprofessional behavior? Every post we start or my name comes up in you or some of your buddies come into a make comments in, this one again for example. I've told you, ETS and Lucas that I will avoid you guys to keep the trouble down............what is your freaking problem? Why can't you do the same?

I see no mention of IndyEVO saying anything of ETS, he is simply stating some opinions. To be honest, I don't even agree with some of it. The SS header tubing that is being used by most of the EVO parts manufacturers has proven to be darn near bullet proof, this includes what ETS is using. I also don't believe they are going to crack/break over time. We've had ONE header come back with a hair line crack in it (and we've sold A LOT of them) and it was completely replaced free of charge. This further pisses me off that you dragged me into this with your BS ignorant statements. I don't even agree with the cracking problem. I believe in IndyEVO's "world" though they use much lighter tubing and such and there is a cracking problem with them, all of us use to use .065 wall tubing to build headers and we all know those will fail, sooner than later.

Now keep me out of your posts and stop making references to me. I am beyond sick and tired of it.

As for the thread starter and your turbo kit questions.

If you'd like to avoid the hassle of the fighting that starts everytime a post is made please just shoot me a PM and we can discuss what is best for your car.

I haven't built ONE fast EVO, I've built hundreds of fast EVO's.

 

David, You are right I stand corrected the thickest wall we use is .065 max and that is on the brackets that hold the pipes together the pipes are quite a bit thinner than that in the mid .030's range, we are going for the lightest header possible these cost about 7k for the stainless and 10k + a set for the inconell ones. The stainless ones tend to crack over time the inconell last quite a bit longer. The wall thickness you guys are using is quite a bit thicker so it would make sense they would last lonnger. I would like to go on the record Ifarted2 as I have never posted any negitive comments about ETS or AMS so dont drag me into this. I was just giving an opinion.

 

You made 300 passes on a 67 trim, and another 100 pases on a 42R and zero problems after tons of abuse.... and 15,000 miles,BS somebody else.
I have lost any respect for you personally for flat out lying,period.
I am so sick and tired of being sick and tired of you attacking David Buschur personally.
If you don't have any positive feedback to give the evo-m community don't post!You have completly destroyed another thread.Congraudulations

 

about the guages, i use prosport and have absolutely no complaints. i think they are great for the money.
i ordered the cast mani hta 35r and from what ive been seeing, u cant go wrong with this turbo, we are going to have a very similar setup.

 

Wow, this went down hill very fast, Indyevo was attacking ets, all Paul did was defend ets, and he never even put you down David, You have said many times that if someone wanted to buy your business you would sell it in a heart beat. Your feelings get hurt waywayway to easy, if it would make you feel better im sure Paul would mail you a cookie and a few pieces of chocolate

 

another thread on the way to closing.....

 

Indeed...

 

And look where it started.... from your guys "god" from the Northwest!

Let go of the pubes guys!

 

umm yeah pretty sure that was started by indyevo attacking ets, maybe you might want to read the thread again