HTA 35R VS 35R Twin Scroll Pump Gas on both

HTA 21 psi ~ Twin Scroll 23 psi

Heres the HTA 35R pump gas 21 psi

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/at...8&d=1202664913

Heres the Twin scroll 35R 23 psi

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/at...7&d=1207875389

The question is ~ Is it worth to pay 7 gerr for a 35R TS vs give or take $4000 HTA 35R kit?


Correct me if I'm wrong but dosen't a Dyno Dynamic read lower than a Dyno Jet?

 

Nope, not so much a fan of that twin scroll, not seeing it make the claims as advertised. It is NICE as hell but I don't see that MASSIVE gain and certainly not for the price. If it was SLIGHTLY more then yes, but 7 Grand? Please....



Also judgeing but those runs there isn't any major difference. I know I know, people who say that they have driver the Twin Scroll say you must experience it but then gimmy 7 Grand, I will let you know.

 

so...these are 2 completely different cars on 2 different dynos?...great comparison

 

7k for a turbo kit just because it's twin scroll, wow thats A Lot. ESPECIALLY FOR A EVO.

 

no not much at all

here HTA 35R~MODS:
HTA35r w\.63 AR 5 bolt
RNR Manifold w/38 TIAL WG
APS Intake
APS 3inch Complete Exhaust
BF 272 Cams
Stock ECU,MAF, Intake mani and Cylinder Head
2.0 liter
HKS DLII Ignition
Hyperflow Large IC with THE SHOP LICP



here TS 35R~ 23psi 440 whp and 376 tq


Basic mods

evo9
stock block
stock head
stock valve train
hks 272
Full Race t4 GT35r
HKS Vpro tune by Sean Ivey
Exedy Triple Disc
PTE 1000cc
Vertical flow IC
stock uicp

 

First of all, it's The Shop's dyno - which reads like a dynojet and HAS been manipulated.

Second - dyno dynamics are loading dynos and will load the car more. The dynojet uses the inertia of the roller whereas the dyno dynamics uses eddy current retarders (lol) to basically apply a load that the vehicle must overcome which is then measured. It will create a different looking curve (the most notable dyno that does this is dynapacks).

Third - look at the low end power and torque - the TS hits 200wtq/hp at 3500/4000 respectively while the other one hits those values at 4100/4400 on a dyno that should have slightly better spoolup (just spoolup due to the loading - it should have lower numbers than the dynojet but this one does not). Nobody ever said the twinscroll was going to make more power, just that it was going to spool better.

Fourth - there are quite a few differences in the vehicle, tuner, and date of the run (which should have different weather conditions).

Finally - for someone named "ca$h" who has an avatar of stacks of money you sure are hung up on price. Oh and when figuring the difference don't forget to add the price of the intercooler pipes, intercooler and the tubular manifold kit (4300 + 760 + 480). 6800 vs 5500 and you get a tial bov and a second 44mm wastegate which aren't pure profit and the price difference doesn't seem as insane. But whatever, you're intraw3b skills sure beat everyone else's real world experience.

[sarcasm]Dude, you should totally look into ATP kits - they make almost the same power (who cares that they take 600 rpm longer to get there) and they're hella cheap! [/sarcasm]

 

FYI... There have been Numerous test recently on The Shops Dyno. The Dyno at correction factor of 1.2 reads basically IDENTICAL to a dynojet +/-5 hp.

The Manipulation factor left a while ago and is now working at another shop.

Also I can only speak for the 440hp 400 trq HTA car.. it hit on the street exactly like the dyno showed.. Like you were spraying a 200 shot, it all just poured it!

Also with 540 HP and 500 trq at The Shop's dyno, this full weight car ran 11.0 @131 w/ a 1.96 60ft.. Not so high reading from those #'s..


I have no testing with the TS, so I have no opinion on it.


thx,
Freddy

 

LOL - the manipulation factor - I like that. Thanks for the info Freddy, I didn't want to stir anything up on that end - but you're staying that the 1.2 multiplication factor is still in effect and used on that car (that's all I meant by it has been manipulated - didn't want to imply anything else)? Why not just go back to the calibration that dyno dynamics supplies and recommends?

PS - DD rule - they're probably my favorite. Although we have a Maha coming to town soon - should be interesting to see one of those in action.

 

I do not think the TS is worth 3,000 more, so what if it spools a bit faster.

 

I dunno man regardless of the dyno and tuner and all that other crap the gains are not that great vs the HTA.

This is just like the Question~ IX turbo $450 vs the Green $1700. Maybe 25-35 whp and .2 to .5 sec 1/4 mile gain. I guess its all what you want.....


As far as my name and avatar ~ I didn't get money by free spending and little to no research when buying goods

 

I strongly question this 'correction factor'. The best info I have shows the proper DD->DJ correction factor to be 1.13-1.15, not a whopping 1.2.

According to The Shop's conversion, my EVO 8 TME was good for 426whp on a DJ (93+meth), and I don't believe that for a New York minute. Do you? No, I didn't think so. My conversion calcs put that figure at a more believable 409whp.

Of course, we don't know enough about the two different cars to comment intelligently, so it cannot be assumed that they are comparable. Nevertheless, my calcs show the HTA 35R car at 421whp in DJ terms, not 440 like the TS car.

Consider that FWIW.

 

Ted two weeks ago I was at the shop and some boys with a white subaru sti came... The story goes... They tuned their car at the shop. 1.2cf the car made 326whp...

The guys go to another ct shop because they thought they could make more power... They pay 600 dollars for ecutek tune I think. Their base theshop dyno was 324whp on their dynojet (2whp difference). The tuner did tuned the car and he "resulted" another 10whp or so.... Not but for 600 bucks ehh???

The boys came back to recheck their new claim... (I guess they really like dyno numbers)... Jimmy kindly straped the car on the dyno again, connected the afrs, boost and dynoed the car again at 1.2cf... The car resulted 325whp with 1psi more boost than the ecutek tune... Also the afrs of the car were way to lean making the car to knock after 3-4 dyno pulls....

Jimmy and junior agreed to retune the car the way it was before....

Two things I got from that:

1. These subaru guys were number hungry and had money to throw retuning the car from nothing. Nevertheless the kid looked he was going to cry...

2. Once again I saw that that dd with 1.2cf is within 5whp from the dj....



Two things result from this:
1. The kids have money to throw around

 

In addition to Kouzman’s example, RedBull a very high horsepower street car that AMS built. Laid down 725 WHP at AMS's Dyno Jet..

Then Drove from Chicago to Norwalk, CT.. And with a correction factor of 1.2 on The Shops Dyno Dynamics.. the car laid down 724 WHP.. a whapping 1 HP difference untouched.

They Dyno sheets will be posted up once both are avaiable.

 

Why do people keep on forgetting that you get more parts with the Full Race twin scroll kits? When you take into account of the extra parts the price difference compared to other kits is not that ****ing much. OMG, people can get really blind when they are so ignorant and biased. Lamers.

 

Here is the results of our TS kit with something close to a 35R. Its a td bit large with MUCH better spool up than what we expected.
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...&highlight=dtm
It may suit your needs.