New FP White turbo
Tom-
I just got back from the dirt track (Ardmore OK), cooked BBQ for 150 people.
Only 50 *****ed. I suck. Ask Ronny Gould. It's his fault. Friggin' Okies. Between him and his brother they've only won like 1200 features.
We gave everyone here nothing but facts. No hype, we posted real numbers. Look at the early pages.
When was the last time you ever saw a vendor post a dyno graph, and a log of that run with TIMING and THE ACTUAL BOOST CURVE and conditions?
I'd say never.
The difference between this and the 1580 occurs at higher PR's.
There is NOTHING you can do to make a TD05H work better at 7K plus.
Its a 'small' turbine wheel, performance is going to suffer at high RPM. Look at the exhaust pressure. Eventually it goes sky high. It doesn't matter if Tom or Fred or FP or Joe Average is using it, it has certain characteristics, it has a performance window.
I tried to talk Tom out of spending any time on this unit, other than use it as a 'filter'. He has better things to do with his time.
Dumb Okie wouldn't listen.
I think maybe that's why he goes fast.
DO NOT BUY a 'White' if your primary focus is drag racing. You'll lose too much top end.
This unit is strictly for those who NEED response and low/mid.
I just got back from the dirt track (Ardmore OK), cooked BBQ for 150 people.
Only 50 *****ed. I suck. Ask Ronny Gould. It's his fault. Friggin' Okies. Between him and his brother they've only won like 1200 features.
We gave everyone here nothing but facts. No hype, we posted real numbers. Look at the early pages.
When was the last time you ever saw a vendor post a dyno graph, and a log of that run with TIMING and THE ACTUAL BOOST CURVE and conditions?
I'd say never.
The difference between this and the 1580 occurs at higher PR's.
There is NOTHING you can do to make a TD05H work better at 7K plus.
Its a 'small' turbine wheel, performance is going to suffer at high RPM. Look at the exhaust pressure. Eventually it goes sky high. It doesn't matter if Tom or Fred or FP or Joe Average is using it, it has certain characteristics, it has a performance window.
I tried to talk Tom out of spending any time on this unit, other than use it as a 'filter'. He has better things to do with his time.
Dumb Okie wouldn't listen.
I think maybe that's why he goes fast.
DO NOT BUY a 'White' if your primary focus is drag racing. You'll lose too much top end.
This unit is strictly for those who NEED response and low/mid.
As far as the White, I like the feeling of running it up to 3500 and hitting the twisties, then nailing it and having it throw every piece of crap in the car to the back of the trunk. Ask David about the INSTANT response we got in first gear. Lag, what the hell is that? And that was with a long winded manifold, me, David, laptop, helmets, tools (not many), etc. Ask my log buddy, Jeff. It's a very responsive turbo.
Those graphs aren't really for me but they are interesting. I doubt anyone else will push the limits quite as hard.
For the money it really does look like a decent upgrade. You would really have to be into car bowling to "need" a green.
Did you log airflow? How many pounds was that thing flowing?
For the money it really does look like a decent upgrade. You would really have to be into car bowling to "need" a green.
Did you log airflow? How many pounds was that thing flowing?
I don't have the logs, but of course David does. I don't know if he will post it or not. Since I'm a programmer, I understand very clearly, ownership rights of data and programs.
The same exact test was done with a white rabbit turbo and look how that turned out
Don't be so thick in the head already. It is nice 9sec9 did this test, but it is not real world data that is going to be repeated by the masses, just like the white rabbit.
Everyone thought, 440 hp on race gas wooohoooo.
Gimme a break.
Don't be so thick in the head already. It is nice 9sec9 did this test, but it is not real world data that is going to be repeated by the masses, just like the white rabbit.
Everyone thought, 440 hp on race gas wooohoooo.
Gimme a break.
Jerk offs and ****? Yea, there ya go guys, that just puts me right in my place *rolls eyes*
I stand by what I said, and what many other people wanted to see, the turbo tested for what its meant to do. Its not like tom had a contractual obligation to test this turbo and spend his money. Something tells me testing this turbo wasn't the sole reason for his trip to wakeman. BR didn't have any common modded cars to throw this on? The basic bolt on pump gas car this turbo is meant for? Trust me, I appreciate SOMEONE doing a test and giving us info, especially a respected source. But you guys coming on here throwing a hissy because everyone wanted to see what it does on its intended market, that's just rediculous. I get mad too when people ask for different tests....but its the guys who say test it at this psi, test it with these cams, back to back this turbo with this manifold....THAT'S annoying. This, is not the same, so don't treat it as the same.
I stand by what I said, and what many other people wanted to see, the turbo tested for what its meant to do. Its not like tom had a contractual obligation to test this turbo and spend his money. Something tells me testing this turbo wasn't the sole reason for his trip to wakeman. BR didn't have any common modded cars to throw this on? The basic bolt on pump gas car this turbo is meant for? Trust me, I appreciate SOMEONE doing a test and giving us info, especially a respected source. But you guys coming on here throwing a hissy because everyone wanted to see what it does on its intended market, that's just rediculous. I get mad too when people ask for different tests....but its the guys who say test it at this psi, test it with these cams, back to back this turbo with this manifold....THAT'S annoying. This, is not the same, so don't treat it as the same.
The same exact test was done with a white rabbit turbo and look how that turned out
Don't be so thick in the head already. It is nice 9sec9 did this test, but it is not real world data that is going to be repeated by the masses, just like the white rabbit.
Everyone thought, 440 hp on race gas wooohoooo.
Gimme a break.
Don't be so thick in the head already. It is nice 9sec9 did this test, but it is not real world data that is going to be repeated by the masses, just like the white rabbit.
Everyone thought, 440 hp on race gas wooohoooo.
Gimme a break.
9sec9 you loved the "white"? I'm still questioning which route to go just because of the mods I'm going with. I won't be auto-x or dragging ALL the time. This is my daily driver. I want to be able to lay my foot down if someone challenges me or some way in that area, ya know? The "green" and the "white" have and still is beating my head senseless.
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If a combo was built for a straight 93 octane street car, V0 mani, full headwork,
and built engine, would there be any benefit to keeping the boost at a more reasonable say 26psi and bumping up the static compression by 0.5 or 1. With this combo, if viable, what would be the ideal cam for the powerband?
Thanks.
and built engine, would there be any benefit to keeping the boost at a more reasonable say 26psi and bumping up the static compression by 0.5 or 1. With this combo, if viable, what would be the ideal cam for the powerband?
Thanks.
9sec9 you loved the "white"? I'm still questioning which route to go just because of the mods I'm going with. I won't be auto-x or dragging ALL the time. This is my daily driver. I want to be able to lay my foot down if someone challenges me or some way in that area, ya know? The "green" and the "white" have and still is beating my head senseless.
Last edited by 9sec9; Jul 6, 2008 at 07:34 AM.
If a combo was built for a straight 93 octane street car, V0 mani, full headwork,
and built engine, would there be any benefit to keeping the boost at a more reasonable say 26psi and bumping up the static compression by 0.5 or 1. With this combo, if viable, what would be the ideal cam for the powerband?
Thanks.
and built engine, would there be any benefit to keeping the boost at a more reasonable say 26psi and bumping up the static compression by 0.5 or 1. With this combo, if viable, what would be the ideal cam for the powerband?
Thanks.
All the info has been laid out on the table, from bolt ons to the max effort full build. There should be plenty of info now for someone to make their mind up. In my opinion this is a damn good street turbo period. Indy
Last edited by Indy Evo; Jul 6, 2008 at 08:17 AM.
Well some don't know everything as much as some that's why we try to get as much information as I can before I purchase anything. If I have a question up here, dang on skippy I'm going to ask, no matter how stupid it may sound. I like to have things clarified and get opinions.
TKEVO, YES I loved the White. It has very similar power up top, but spools quicker than expected (Remember, our mani was for top end) and at 26-28psi could show dyno numbers of 400+. That's not on Davids Mustang, but it will on many other dynos. Response was immediate at 3500 and nail it and it pulled all the way to 8400 rpms. That was the manifold talking, but the turbo in midrange will make a great combo. FWIW, If I was building a daily street car, I would be using the White, the V0 Street Version manifold, some good 272 cams (Pick: FP4R, GSC S2, Kelford's, Cosworth M2, HKS 272(maybe)), 65 mm TB, and the normal supsects in exhaust and porting. I'd run 93 daily and when it came race time, I'd reflash it, turn the boost to 32, put some C16 or Q16 in it and have some fun. That's just me, but it would keep it as a daily driver with great around town response, then at the track, it would give up very little when compared to the Green. Yes, I loved the White.
. Just your above post says it all about how the new White turbo will apply to numerous applications. I will need to ask FP about what size injectors to upgrade to run with my water/ alcohol injection. Now if only my government rebate check will arrive so I could get this thing.