New FP White turbo
So what kinda power can you push out of this turbo? Will full bolt on's with a set of cams push you to and around 400+ whp. I mean with my setup i'm running now i'm at 343 whp on my evo 8 turbo 9.8 hotside. I don't want to run meth to hit 400 either just straight 93 octane.
OK, David is giving me 15 minutes to post results. First of all, Sorry Robert for abusing your turbo. Yes, it's fine, but we DID push it to the limits of it's abilities and know absolutely what it will do. Here goes:
We ran every psi from 31 to 40. With each boost setting, we monitored AFR's and intake temps. I'm not going to give all of that, just boost and power. All pulls were made on Import gas, on our Stage 3 motor with stock valves, stock exhaust manifold, IndyEvo/Wilson manifold, JUN272 cams (for base line purposes), and Buschur's 65 mm TB. To the meat and potatoes: 3rd GEAR, First pull at 37.9 psi (.6 higher than I ran the Green) we knew that it would be too high, but wanted to find the 'Wall'. Intake temps were up, but power was 433 whp and 408 wtq. We changed the boost to 32 and the car made 415 whp and 390 wtq. The temps really dropped and the AFR's got leaner. Indicating that the turbo was much better in it's efficiency, just not as much power. Think about it, nearly 6 psi more boost, but only peak of 18 whp difference. From what we observed over about 10 pulls was the turbo would make more power up to 37 psi, but that was only midrange, the topend suffered. Even on the final 4th gear pull, we made more power at 3 less psi in 3rd gear, than we did in 4th gear, from 6500 up. NOTHING IS TO BE GAINED on top from 6500 up above 37 psi. The turbo runs much better at 31 psi as far as efficiency. At 31 psi I believe it made 408 whp, I dont remember the torque. Also of note is we're using a manifold that's built for topend. Our peak torque in 4th gear occurred at 4100 and held very well to 4750. Now for you PEAK number guys: 4th gear, too much boost (40 psi) the midrange is very strong. 438 whp and 478 torque. We made enough pulls to know that you're asking for failure if you take it over 35 psi as your max. Better would be in the 30-32 range. Thats it, no more testing on the White. It is what it is. Graphs will be put up when they come in Monday. I'm back to the bay to do further work on the car.
We ran every psi from 31 to 40. With each boost setting, we monitored AFR's and intake temps. I'm not going to give all of that, just boost and power. All pulls were made on Import gas, on our Stage 3 motor with stock valves, stock exhaust manifold, IndyEvo/Wilson manifold, JUN272 cams (for base line purposes), and Buschur's 65 mm TB. To the meat and potatoes: 3rd GEAR, First pull at 37.9 psi (.6 higher than I ran the Green) we knew that it would be too high, but wanted to find the 'Wall'. Intake temps were up, but power was 433 whp and 408 wtq. We changed the boost to 32 and the car made 415 whp and 390 wtq. The temps really dropped and the AFR's got leaner. Indicating that the turbo was much better in it's efficiency, just not as much power. Think about it, nearly 6 psi more boost, but only peak of 18 whp difference. From what we observed over about 10 pulls was the turbo would make more power up to 37 psi, but that was only midrange, the topend suffered. Even on the final 4th gear pull, we made more power at 3 less psi in 3rd gear, than we did in 4th gear, from 6500 up. NOTHING IS TO BE GAINED on top from 6500 up above 37 psi. The turbo runs much better at 31 psi as far as efficiency. At 31 psi I believe it made 408 whp, I dont remember the torque. Also of note is we're using a manifold that's built for topend. Our peak torque in 4th gear occurred at 4100 and held very well to 4750. Now for you PEAK number guys: 4th gear, too much boost (40 psi) the midrange is very strong. 438 whp and 478 torque. We made enough pulls to know that you're asking for failure if you take it over 35 psi as your max. Better would be in the 30-32 range. Thats it, no more testing on the White. It is what it is. Graphs will be put up when they come in Monday. I'm back to the bay to do further work on the car.
Last edited by 9sec9; Jul 5, 2008 at 11:51 AM.
Everyone has to remember that the v2.1 green was designer to shift torque/hp to the right by 750 rpms for 9sec9's engine combo. For a stock manifold car the spool would be quicker compared to what 9sec9 has run. Great job guys for doing this on a Saturday, now go home and have a beer. Indy
Last edited by Indy Evo; Jul 5, 2008 at 12:05 PM.
Very interesting. So basically going over 34-35psi peak is pointless where as with the green on your setup is still efficient at 37psi. What was the boost held to at redline with the white during this testing?
Since target audience is for road racers and auto crossers, don't you think that this test of 30+ psi runs are a bit retarded?
I mean, it is targeted for the less power then Green crowd and for more stock like engines. Your tests are good for drag racing, which this turbo is not intended.
What did the turbo make at 20 or 25 psi? That is a much better test then 37psi on race gas.
Just sayin.
I mean, it is targeted for the less power then Green crowd and for more stock like engines. Your tests are good for drag racing, which this turbo is not intended.
What did the turbo make at 20 or 25 psi? That is a much better test then 37psi on race gas.
Just sayin.
I think the community should thank 9sec9 for posting his tests this was done on his own dollar or I should say thousands of them. He has spent a week on the road to get all the components ready to do this along with numerous hours on the phone putting everything together. For those who don't like the test go out a buy a dyno, learn how to use it, learn how to tune, buy 3 different turbos to try, four sets of camshafts and then you can talk about it. I really pisses me off to no end when people do this. Bottom line if you don't like how the test was done, you pay to do the tests.
Last edited by Indy Evo; Jul 5, 2008 at 03:10 PM.
I think the community should thank 9sec9 for posting his tests this was done on his own dollar or I should say thousands of them. He has spent a week on the road to get all the components ready to do this along with numerous hours on the phone putting everything together. For those who don't like the test go out a buy a dyno, learn how to use it learn how to tune, buy 3 different turbos to try, four sets of camshafts and then you can talk about it. I really pisses me off to no end when people do this. Bottom line if you don't like how the test was done, you pay to do the tests.
I see your point Indy, but there is really no reason to be pissed off to no end. People are making valid points to an extent. This is meant to be a DD and autoX turbo....but its being tested with race fuel and drag race boost levels. It would be the same if you got this killer new 40R set up meant to run 8's and the test was done on 91 octane going around cones in the parking lot.
I'm pleasantly suprised at the numbers with that much boost however. Looks like it won't be a waste for my plans of running 25-30psi on ethanol after all!
I'm pleasantly suprised at the numbers with that much boost however. Looks like it won't be a waste for my plans of running 25-30psi on ethanol after all!
^^^ Those tests will be done sometime, but you all need to remember what 9sec9's focus is -- while he is testing for full power in the 1/4 mile, he was kind enough to take his own time and $ to test another turbo that would not be directly applicable to his goals and provide the data for the rest of us that may find this turbo perfect for our needs. We'll probably see the midrange info and lots of additional useful data on Monday when the graphs get posted.
Thanks, Tom! That is great info.
Thanks, Tom! That is great info.