New FP White turbo
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yeah! what this guy said you jack offs!
I think the community should thank 9sec9 for posting his tests this was done on his own dollar or I should say thousands of them. He has spent a week on the road to get all the components ready to do this along with numerous hours on the phone putting everything together. For those who don't like the test go out a buy a dyno, learn how to use it learn how to tune, buy 3 different turbos to try, four sets of camshafts and then you can talk about it. I really pisses me off to no end when people do this. Bottom line if you don't like how the test was done, you pay to do the tests.
Sorry for the rant , but come on 9sec9 has spent alot of time, money, and effort to do this, so has David. Lets see, gas to drive out from OK and back, 6 days so far for a hotel room, 5 days of install and prep, 2 dyno days at Buschur's, all the parts related to his latest build plus all the other parts to test not related to his drag effort, plus 1 track day rental at Norwalk. For what, to have people say it should have been done their way. This test showed what a White could do with a max effort build. This is a great pump gas daily driver turbo, throw in a race gas tune and go 10's on a White. What else would you want. CO_VR4 hit the nail on the head wait untill Monday for the complete info. Indy
Last edited by Indy Evo; Jul 5, 2008 at 04:53 PM.
VWjeff said aprox 3500 rpm on up looks like this. Those with a stock manifold can expect it to come in aprox 750-1000 rpm sooner.
Last edited by Indy Evo; Jul 5, 2008 at 03:37 PM.
I love all the **** bi*ching the test sucks ect.... Indy is right, buy your own stuff and test it yourself I get so sick of reading what will my car do with XXX and XXX. WHO THE HECK IS GONNA KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT?
I rode in the car lastnight before it ever hit the dyno with any #'s what so ever, and this turbo haul's some serious azz.
I was thinking this little pee size shooter turbo is gonna be a joke... Boy was I EVER wrong. If I had to guess, this car would give me a run for Tom's $$$
I get so sick of reading what will my car do with XXX and XXX. WHO THE HECK IS GONNA KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT?I rode in the car lastnight before it ever hit the dyno with any #'s what so ever, and this turbo haul's some serious azz.
I was thinking this little pee size shooter turbo is gonna be a joke... Boy was I EVER wrong. If I had to guess, this car would give me a run for Tom's $$$
well they shouldn't expect 438 bhp on race gas either!
since the green wasn't tested with this manifold, it would be nice
to see how it will perform when put back now
Sounds like to me that this turbo will hit good numbers with race gas. How much of a difference between race gas and meth? Just wanted to get an idea since I will be running meth.
Jerk offs and ****? Yea, there ya go guys, that just puts me right in my place *rolls eyes*
I stand by what I said, and what many other people wanted to see, the turbo tested for what its meant to do. Its not like tom had a contractual obligation to test this turbo and spend his money. Something tells me testing this turbo wasn't the sole reason for his trip to wakeman. BR didn't have any common modded cars to throw this on? The basic bolt on pump gas car this turbo is meant for? Trust me, I appreciate SOMEONE doing a test and giving us info, especially a respected source. But you guys coming on here throwing a hissy because everyone wanted to see what it does on its intended market, that's just rediculous. I get mad too when people ask for different tests....but its the guys who say test it at this psi, test it with these cams, back to back this turbo with this manifold....THAT'S annoying. This, is not the same, so don't treat it as the same.
I stand by what I said, and what many other people wanted to see, the turbo tested for what its meant to do. Its not like tom had a contractual obligation to test this turbo and spend his money. Something tells me testing this turbo wasn't the sole reason for his trip to wakeman. BR didn't have any common modded cars to throw this on? The basic bolt on pump gas car this turbo is meant for? Trust me, I appreciate SOMEONE doing a test and giving us info, especially a respected source. But you guys coming on here throwing a hissy because everyone wanted to see what it does on its intended market, that's just rediculous. I get mad too when people ask for different tests....but its the guys who say test it at this psi, test it with these cams, back to back this turbo with this manifold....THAT'S annoying. This, is not the same, so don't treat it as the same.
I just now got back in my hotel room after all day of changing the turbo and manifold, as well as dynoing and tuning with David most of the early morning and afternoon. Here's the reason I test it to the max. My previous tests on the Green were run on the same basic parts, minus new Intake and AEM. The Green was also pushed to it's limits on the same fuel, cams, engine, exhaust manifold, etc. So with that in mind, by doing the exact same thing, a correlation can be reasonably drawn from comparing these two dynos. THEN, look at Robert Young's dyno numbers at 22-23 psi and I believe 93 octane. His numbers will give the average modded car on low psi and 93 octane fuel. Ours will give the pushed limits of the turbo and higher modifications. It doesn't take a brain surgeon to understand the hi and low range of the turbo. Plug in your mods and fuel and you should be able to get very close to what the numbers would be. If I had dropped the psi down to 25 or so, someone would have said, yeah, but you did it on Import. Well, Import gives no benefit in that range, or at least, not much. There's no win. Take the numbers and hire a statistical analysis system programmer. That's basically what I do, but for nothing. I'll post the dyno's in the next post. They OVERLAY today's highest number with my above mentioned Green pulls from back in December. Today's intake temps were 100, but dropped to 95 during the pull, then slowly increased to 104 at 8000. The other OVERLAY is 32 psi vs 37.9 psi. Notice the midrange difference, but how close they come together at 7000+. Not worth the boost increase due to the heat generated and probably failure over the longhaul. In summation, more boost increased power, but at the expense of only 3-7whp per psi. Not much gain for the heat involved. Enjoy.
Last edited by 9sec9; Jul 5, 2008 at 07:48 PM.
One point worth stating again, The IndyEVO/WILSON manifold was custom designed for our application. It would NOT be what you would use on an autox car. The street version or ported stocker would change the spool by at least 750 rpms, if not more. This was the best I could do. I'm doing my own wrenching and changing so I'm not the fastest mechanic in the west. First graph:Our FP Green on same cams, head, basic stage 3 engine, same fuel, same dyno, but on stock ecu/maf tuned by me in early December 2007 vs today with same mods except intake, AEM and tuned by David Buschur. This should give everyone the upper limits of the turbo. It's up to other's to give the 'incremental' dynos, between 23 and 32 on pump gas 1 psi at a time. If we did 25 someone would want 27, and so on. We have to begin with a range so that the high/low's are known. The rest becomes easier to fill in. By the way, sorry for the sideways graphs, but I decided to try to get results asap, so I took pictures, uploaded them, but didn't take time to rotate 'em.
Second graph: This chart is the 32 psi vs 37.9 psi, same tune (with minor changes to maintain the same AFR's between the pulls). These were done in 3rd gear. Notice the difference is 35 whp at 5600, but the boost was nearly 6 psi more. That's only about 6whp/psi. Not much return on the investment, due to heat and efficiency.
Second graph: This chart is the 32 psi vs 37.9 psi, same tune (with minor changes to maintain the same AFR's between the pulls). These were done in 3rd gear. Notice the difference is 35 whp at 5600, but the boost was nearly 6 psi more. That's only about 6whp/psi. Not much return on the investment, due to heat and efficiency.
By the way the air temps in December were cooler and dryer than today. So in fact the White would have made great power even without the intake and the AEM. 9sec9 might be able to clarify that. I think you are 100% correct that the v0 and the White would make for a deadly combination for the street.
Last edited by Indy Evo; Jul 5, 2008 at 08:25 PM.
I agree Indy. Based on the higher temps today and the fact that the White made as much power at 37.9 as I did on the Green at 37.3 (but 40 degrees cooler temps), the Forced Performance White did really, really well. Lower todays temps by 40 degrees and the White would have been the same power at 6500+. Comparing the charts proves this. Then, match the White up with a Street Version V0 and a killer combo is formed. I told Robert back when I first saw this turbo that it could very well be my favorite. I said this before doing any testing. It's just a matter of time before others see what it will do. I can't wait until someone uses it with the V0. I would almost pay money to watch it dyno.