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I'm excited that we have such great options! Mellon is right that the PR car is a freak, but it just points out that even if the ceiling for the rest of the world is .2 or .3 seconds slower, it's still has the potential to be a high 9 / low 10 second turbo for the uber serious racers, with great street characteristics for a lot of other people. It won't be the choice for every one, and it won't obsolete the 35RHTA, but it sure gives a potent option to a stock manifold / stock turbo configuration setup.
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at full potential and if you're talking about drag racing I don't think there is an argument, the 35R will eclipse the Red, but not everyone is into drag racing so I think the Red is going to be superior in some respects based on what we've seen thus far. If you're going to run race gas and high boost it's quite impressive.
That being said, I'm sure someone will remind me that the guys in PR just went 9.5x @ 142 and that the AVERAGE 35R guys can't run that which is true but you must remember that the AVERAGE RED isn't going to run that either. E.T. and MPH don't mean a thing when choosing a turbo if you don't know the Mods, HP or at least race weight. I could put a 16g in a go cart of an EVO and run 9's with nitrous but does that mean it's the best turbo for drag racing? or does it mean my go cart evo is what's making the difference?
Don't get me wrong what the guys in PR did with the Red already is impressive as hell no matter the mods/boost/octane/weight etc... I'm not taking anything way from that incredible achievement, but I think it would be foolish to purchase a turbo based on a "freak car" without ALL of the facts.
That being said, I'm sure someone will remind me that the guys in PR just went 9.5x @ 142 and that the AVERAGE 35R guys can't run that which is true but you must remember that the AVERAGE RED isn't going to run that either. E.T. and MPH don't mean a thing when choosing a turbo if you don't know the Mods, HP or at least race weight. I could put a 16g in a go cart of an EVO and run 9's with nitrous but does that mean it's the best turbo for drag racing? or does it mean my go cart evo is what's making the difference?
Don't get me wrong what the guys in PR did with the Red already is impressive as hell no matter the mods/boost/octane/weight etc... I'm not taking anything way from that incredible achievement, but I think it would be foolish to purchase a turbo based on a "freak car" without ALL of the facts.
thanks alot mellon for ur opinion! appreciate it
Results are in.
110octane Sunoco pump gas leaded
Full boost spoolup 3800rpms
33-34 maximum psi with HP actuator and full + MBC
27.5psi @ 8000rpms on HKS 280 280
Final numbers 463.1whp/445tq Mustang Dyno - Evo 8
Overall, I like this turbo and think we could have done without the Green altogether compared to this one. It appears FP put together a good combination this time.
110octane Sunoco pump gas leaded
Full boost spoolup 3800rpms
33-34 maximum psi with HP actuator and full + MBC
27.5psi @ 8000rpms on HKS 280 280
Final numbers 463.1whp/445tq Mustang Dyno - Evo 8
Overall, I like this turbo and think we could have done without the Green altogether compared to this one. It appears FP put together a good combination this time.
Seems that the Turbo is great
.But, if you look at my Dyno and Track numbers on the Green, it appears that FP put together a good combination on the Green, the 1st time around.
This new Red, is a continuation of that great work FP did with the Green.
Lets get it right,
. The Green is a great Turbo, the Red is its New, nicer, big brother.
Wait until I bolt one on my car
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27.5psi on HKS 280 280 camshafts. On stock cams the car would hardly drop boost at all.
And no, there is no other stock footprint turbo that will hold more boost longer.
But, this picture is a log of my stock VIII Turbo(9.8) Hotside, small 264/272 Cams, peak boost 30 psi.
So as you can see, the Red is not the only Stock Plataform that can maintain boost to 8000 rpms.
Specially when you consider the mods at the time that log was taken.
If the stock Evo VIII Turbo can hold over 26 psi at 8000 rpms with little Cams & Hotside.
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at full potential and if you're talking about drag racing I don't think there is an argument, the 35R will eclipse the Red, but not everyone is into drag racing so I think the Red is going to be superior in some respects based on what we've seen thus far. If you're going to run race gas and high boost it's quite impressive.
That being said, I'm sure someone will remind me that the guys in PR just went 9.5x @ 142 and that the AVERAGE 35R guys can't run that which is true but you must remember that the AVERAGE RED isn't going to run that either. E.T. and MPH don't mean a thing when choosing a turbo if you don't know the Mods, HP or at least race weight. I could put a 16g in a go cart of an EVO and run 9's with nitrous but does that mean it's the best turbo for drag racing? or does it mean my go cart evo is what's making the difference?
Don't get me wrong what the guys in PR did with the Red already is impressive as hell no matter the mods/boost/octane/weight etc... I'm not taking anything way from that incredible achievement, but I think it would be foolish to purchase a turbo based on a "freak car" without ALL of the facts.
That being said, I'm sure someone will remind me that the guys in PR just went 9.5x @ 142 and that the AVERAGE 35R guys can't run that which is true but you must remember that the AVERAGE RED isn't going to run that either. E.T. and MPH don't mean a thing when choosing a turbo if you don't know the Mods, HP or at least race weight. I could put a 16g in a go cart of an EVO and run 9's with nitrous but does that mean it's the best turbo for drag racing? or does it mean my go cart evo is what's making the difference?
Don't get me wrong what the guys in PR did with the Red already is impressive as hell no matter the mods/boost/octane/weight etc... I'm not taking anything way from that incredible achievement, but I think it would be foolish to purchase a turbo based on a "freak car" without ALL of the facts.
Car weigth is 2735# without driver
Car WHP on Sporty Dynojet in Puerto Rico
FP Green:514 FP Red: 575
Time slip from 9.59@141.97:
60' 1.42 !
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digging around I found some other slips with 1.38's at 133mph and high 9's from that car. I'd say the weight savins is making the difference. The odd thing is 4 or 5 slips at 133 and one at 142
*edit* the previous 1.3x's were with the green, the red did the slower 1.4x 60' but nearly 10mph more.
*edit* the previous 1.3x's were with the green, the red did the slower 1.4x 60' but nearly 10mph more.
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I have a pretty good question seeing Rob's #'s and the mods he is using. I wonder would it be possible to see 500whp on 50/50 meth, 100% meth, or c16?
For me, the upgraded FP actuator forced me to turn down the boost controller to keep mid-range boost in check. The net effect is that I had less boost/tq/hp where the car initially hit "full boost," but then the same peak boost in the middle of the curve. I didn't like it at all for my then pump gas needs. Of course, if you are running race gas and a lot of boost, then you aren't going to have that issue and it should, if anything, improve spool....
I didn't have this problem with a fully ported, low backpressure, 10.5 housing using the FP HD WGA. But I have it in spades with my unported 9.0 housing. I think that it is related to excessive backpressure in the turbine housing and the characteristic "spike" of the FP HD WGA.
Like you, if I had been running higher octane fuel, I could have turned the boost level up higher and the "spike" wouldn't have been a problem.
Yeah, once I install my new Forge WGA I'll subscribe for one of your flash sessions, Chris. I know that you can get 20 HP more out of this thing on the stock ECU than we can with the XEDE on pumpgas. You did it for my friend Jorge's car.
Last edited by sparky; Aug 10, 2008 at 04:47 PM.
Exactly, one of the huge benefits. We see that FP HD "hump" on MBC's but it is easily tuned out to make a normal boost curve with any RPM-based boost controller. You also get the torque back at lower RPM.
quoting myself to prove my point...here's the Data from the PR 9.5 @ 142...clearly it's the weight and thus crazy 60' doing the work....if you strapped a 650-700awhp 35R turbo on there it would be worlds faster.
Car weigth is 2735# without driver
Car WHP on Sporty Dynojet in Puerto Rico
FP Green:514 FP Red: 575
Time slip from 9.59@141.97:
60' 1.42 !
Car weigth is 2735# without driver
Car WHP on Sporty Dynojet in Puerto Rico
FP Green:514 FP Red: 575
Time slip from 9.59@141.97:
60' 1.42 !
Originally Posted by Warrtalon
At 3300lbs race weight, 142 would require 630-640whp on a Dynojet. I'm guessing this car is closer to 2700lbs race weight, so drop that to 570-580whp.