For Mellon: Chris, how soon will you be tuning a Red equipped Evo? Do any of your customers have one yet?

 

I had a customer that said "I'm getting one" but who knows when... I wish I had one to tune My green customers typically see 380-400awhp depending on mods with moderate boost on 93 octane and I'm hoping they'll be 400awhp minimum with the red and maybe 425+ on 93 octane.

 

Suck, Squish, Bang, Blow. It's a 4 stroke.

WTF does the ECU have to do with it?

the ONLY reason we ended up with an M800 was DATALOGGING CAPABILITIES.

Factory ECU= SUPER FAIL!

Autronic SM4= DOUBLE FAIL!

AEM 1320= Quadriplegic, total FAIL!

M820= Gosh darned, It...... JUST.....WORKS RIGHT!

 

Bingo. Its what an individual combo can tolerate. The largest advantage to race fuels are CONSISTENCY! The stuff pumped out of a storage tank, whether it be E85 or 93, are very dependent on turnover of the individual tank under the pavement, and the 1/4 seasonal blends offered from regional distributors.

Drag racing, or Glory Pulls on the dyno are one thing. Complete heat soaks and Road Racing are another.

 

OT, but can you please explain why each of those ECUs fail and why you like the Motec better. Please pm me if you rather not post it here.

 

No, its easy for our discussion-

Factory ECU-
ZERO ancillary data logging capabilities.

In fact we had an E9 ECU meltdown at 170 flashes.


Autronic SM4-

There are some features of this unit I like, there are many more that made it
a bad choice for us- very limited ancillary datalogging capabilities.

Ray Hall is a dick. I like him. No nonsense ****. He dropped it recently.


AEM Anything- ****ing Garbage. 'Nuff said. You WILL learn this, eventually. This crap WILL let you down right when you need it most. Mark my words. The Microsoft of ECU's.

M800- Does what we want it to do, all the time, every time. Rock-solid tech support, the logging software is 100X the current 'status quo' for midrange units.

 

For me, the upgraded FP actuator forced me to turn down the boost controller to keep mid-range boost in check. The net effect is that I had less boost/tq/hp where the car initially hit "full boost," but then the same peak boost in the middle of the curve. I didn't like it at all for my then pump gas needs. Of course, if you are running race gas and a lot of boost, then you aren't going to have that issue and it should, if anything, improve spool.

BTW, I am very surprised that TTP only saw a 20-30 whp gain over the Green on a race gas set-up. Based on Fast Frank's results, the car in PR, etc., something doesn't add up...

 

the PR guys didn't release a dyno chart or race weight so I'm not sure what you can learn from their mid 9 @ 142mph pass.

 

I called it out a few days ago, some guys will put this turbo in with a stock FMIC and scratch their heads. The TTP tuned car I am reading about is admitting to a stock FMIC if I am not mistaken. THe stock cooler is OK, but not the first choice for an app targeting 500whp by any means. I am sure a new FMIC is high on their list now. I bet the PR dudes are not running a stock FMIC.

 

good point Robert...there are going to be some less than ideal setups trying to make good power with a nice turbo. I've had a few cars come to me with stock cams, stock fmic and a 35R...it's hard to make big power like that.

 

We do however have a boost activated FMIC sprayer on the dyno.

If there is a pressure drop issue however, that is another story.

 

Hey now....

 

people fear what they don't understand...

 

got a ? for u mellon in ur opinion what do u think will make more power at full potential fp red or a 35r? this is a thread and alot of people r talking about it haven seen u jump in yet

 

at full potential and if you're talking about drag racing I don't think there is an argument, the 35R will eclipse the Red, but not everyone is into drag racing so I think the Red is going to be superior in some respects based on what we've seen thus far. If you're going to run race gas and high boost it's quite impressive.

That being said, I'm sure someone will remind me that the guys in PR just went 9.5x @ 142 and that the AVERAGE 35R guys can't run that which is true but you must remember that the AVERAGE RED isn't going to run that either. E.T. and MPH don't mean a thing when choosing a turbo if you don't know the Mods, HP or at least race weight. I could put a 16g in a go cart of an EVO and run 9's with nitrous but does that mean it's the best turbo for drag racing? or does it mean my go cart evo is what's making the difference?

Don't get me wrong what the guys in PR did with the Red already is impressive as hell no matter the mods/boost/octane/weight etc... I'm not taking anything way from that incredible achievement, but I think it would be foolish to purchase a turbo based on a "freak car" without ALL of the facts.