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Old Aug 11, 2008 | 04:00 PM
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I'm not going to stand out there half the day waiting my turn in 100* temperature
That sounds like drag racing to me...

Drag racing is cheap as hell compared to roadracing, I will give you that, but to me the amount of enjoyment and respect you get out of and have for the car after road racing it cannot be achieved in any other form of motorsports.

Cars that will murder your car in the 1/4 won't come close on the roadcourse with some simple brake/suspension/wheelandtire mods.

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Old Aug 11, 2008 | 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by scorke
That sounds like drag racing to me...

Drag racing is cheap as hell compared to roadracing, I will give you that, but to me the amount of enjoyment and respect you get out of and have for the car after road racing it cannot be achieved in any other form of motorsports.

Cars that will murder your car in the 1/4 won't come close on the roadcourse with some simple brake/suspension/wheelandtire mods.

Scorke

Really?? your the 1st person i have ever heard say that.. Nothing breaks on the car roadracing.. Drag racing on a high level your lucky to make more passes than you break.. You could run 200 miles on 1 motor , tranny and tcase road racing.. Drag racing youll never go 800 passes.. LOL
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Old Aug 11, 2008 | 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by razorlab
Because drag racing is everything?

Remember some guys that own evos actually turn and throttle steer.
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Originally Posted by scorke
That sounds like drag racing to me...

Drag racing is cheap as hell compared to roadracing, I will give you that, but to me the amount of enjoyment and respect you get out of and have for the car after road racing it cannot be achieved in any other form of motorsports.

Cars that will murder your car in the 1/4 won't come close on the roadcourse with some simple brake/suspension/wheelandtire mods.

Scorke
Amen!
Except drag racing often leads to broken parts, sometimes before you even start having fun. If you break something while road racing, you've definitely been having fun

I see drag racing as 'How much money have I spent on my car?" and "Can I mash the gas and shift in a straight line?"

Road racing is about "How much can I keep up with maintenence, afford to total this car, and how well can I, as a driver, get this car to take the fastest line around this course?"

Autocross is "How well can I learn this course in a couple walk-throughs, then how perfectly can I drive drive this car through 6-10 turns in 60 seconds or less?"

As unexciting as it can be, maybe try not to look at working an autocross corner as "just waiting around for your turn." I know it seems like a lot of non-driving for little seat time, but I have learned just as much watching and listening while working a corner as I have behind the wheel.

Sorry Frank, we totally jacked your thread
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Old Aug 11, 2008 | 04:24 PM
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This subject is WAY of topic, so we need to get back to turbos... besides, if drag racing at a drag STRIP were all I wanted to do, I'd never left domestics
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Old Aug 11, 2008 | 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Mellon
ok, pull up beside me with a 16g, green/red/blue/white whatever, 30r and see if that quicker spool makes any difference.

I'll brake boost and be at 30psi and when it's time to go it'll be all over but the cryin and if you're going from a dig I launch at 7000rpm on the 2step at 15psi, there's no respool time on shifts either.
Yeah, but meet him on an autocross course and he'll destroy you. There IS a difference. Every single time you let off the throttle you are giving up time IN power waiting to spool again. Robert at FP even showed a significant difference on the Green just by switching from a 10.5cm housing to a 9.8cm, then a 9.0cm. . . I believe it was in the neighborhood of 0.2s more lag in boost recovery with the larger housing.

In anything other than drag racing, boost recovery is a significant factor in choosing a turbo. Actually, EVEN IN drag racing it is a significant factor. Look at all the people going away from the 42R and 45R to something that is easier to launch and easier to keep in boost between shifts. . .

Now, back on topic - Great results Frank, and great tuning job Tym!! Way to go guys! I'll bet you this turbo will be able to come pretty close to 500whp on pump gas?? Possible?? Keep up the great work!

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Old Aug 11, 2008 | 07:52 PM
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*warning* don't take me too seriously, I like to joke around...I do autox, drag and road course and fully understand what it takes to go fast
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Old Aug 11, 2008 | 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Mellon
*warning* don't take me too seriously, I like to joke around...I do autox, drag and road course and fully understand what it takes to go fast
Mellon, Some guys are talking about Lag and reaching full boost bla bla bla.
I say they need to see some videos of the 35R and your car, and watch that boost gauge hit full boost on every shift!
Red is supper amazing " like stock" and Congrats to the guys on the results
Every turbo has the pros/cons!
And do not forget that the 566whp you see have sucked $2,000 in a AEM EMS Mod
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Old Aug 11, 2008 | 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by scorke
It appears most of the benefits from twin scroll however are only felt on the road and not the dyno, quick spool and low end tq is only part of it, the transient boost respnse is something that can only really be accounted for on the road.
Which is why these cars came twinscroll equipped, and is why I will never again use an open housing on a turbo 4-cyl. A look at the torque curve in the dyno sheet shows why the EVO Red will deliver superior transient response to any comparable open housing turbo in its class. Believe it.


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Because drag racing is everything?
Only if one hasn't seen something like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64x_aEHj4L8

It lasts more than 10 seconds, demands more skill, and is loads of fun.
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Old Aug 11, 2008 | 09:17 PM
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I am so glad I got the aem ems early on...its a powerful weapon in the right hands and having experience with it is priceless. On the stock turbo and ecu i went from running 115 traps consistantly to running 119 traps consistantly after the aem.
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Old Aug 11, 2008 | 09:23 PM
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Only if one hasn't seen something like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64x_aEHj4L8

It lasts more than 10 seconds, demands more skill, and is loads of fun.
Hhaa yes I love that vid. In fact all hill-climb videos should be shown to car bowlers.
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Old Aug 11, 2008 | 09:26 PM
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...always need a nap after that vid.
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Old Aug 11, 2008 | 11:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike@AwdMotorsports
Really?? your the 1st person i have ever heard say that.. Nothing breaks on the car roadracing.. Drag racing on a high level your lucky to make more passes than you break.. You could run 200 miles on 1 motor , tranny and tcase road racing.. Drag racing youll never go 800 passes.. LOL
Go run a 40 minute session around a road course live to tell the tale and get back to me.

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Old Aug 11, 2008 | 11:29 PM
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Or this classic

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xuw...imb-dance_auto
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Old Aug 12, 2008 | 07:45 AM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gula1SZ9HYs

More classic
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Old Aug 12, 2008 | 09:14 AM
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What was this thread about again???
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