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Old Dec 3, 2008 | 10:48 AM
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ULL LEARN ALOT IN THESE THREADS
Your numbers are coming soon? What do you expect to make with your setup? Just curious...thanks!
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Old Dec 3, 2008 | 10:51 AM
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My Brother Making 30psi With 100%meth Over 500whp
So I Should Be Some Where Around There I Find Out Sat Or Monday When I Get It Tuned
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Old Dec 4, 2008 | 08:27 PM
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Porting the turbine section will not reduce boost creep. Boost creep is a function of how much exhaust psi you can reduce in the turbine which reduces the mass flow through the wheel which slows the shaft speed to an rpm which moves the air neccesary to achieve the boost which has been set. If you can not reduce it enough boost will creep because the wastegate is too small. Porting the waste gate hole slightly larger will help as well as reducing the psi after the waste gate. IE The psi in the exhaust between the turbine wheel and the exhaust tip. Good luck.

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Old Dec 24, 2008 | 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by brodienuchies
Your numbers are coming soon? What do you expect to make with your setup? Just curious...thanks!

I agree. i would like to see what numbers come out of those mods. i have the same mods pretty much and i havent been able to tune my car. i am in need of one lol.
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Old Dec 28, 2008 | 03:43 AM
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I have no plans for an E85 tune yet but will a single pump with 1000's (or 1200's) will cut it for the Red on 100 octane? Whats the exact injectors size that I need to use to be able to still stay on single pump (for now) on 100 octane? or do I really need to go with double pumper? (I know it's a must for E85 but not sure for 100 octane)
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Old Dec 28, 2008 | 08:24 AM
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Originally Posted by EVO8URV8
I have no plans for an E85 tune yet but will a single pump with 1000's (or 1200's) will cut it for the Red on 100 octane? Whats the exact injectors size that I need to use to be able to still stay on single pump (for now) on 100 octane? or do I really need to go with double pumper? (I know it's a must for E85 but not sure for 100 octane)
1000's should be fine on 100 octane with a single pump. But in the long run you'll be paying more for 100 octane than you would have just getting two pumps and running cheaper E-85..

If you plan on going E-85 in the future, get 1200's.
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Old Dec 28, 2008 | 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Evo H8
1000's should be fine on 100 octane with a single pump. But in the long run you'll be paying more for 100 octane than you would have just getting two pumps and running cheaper E-85..

If you plan on going E-85 in the future, get 1200's.
Ya, I think I might just go with double pumper with 1200s so all I need next time after I get the Red is a retune for E85.
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Old Jan 3, 2009 | 09:11 PM
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I'm in the process of gathering parts for my Red set-up.

I going with BR ported t/b, i/m, e/m, and I'm getting the turbine housing ported by FP, HFS-5, 880 injectors, head studs, and a tune at ~30psi. I'm hoping for 500awhp. You think I'll reach 500awhp? All other mods are in my sig.

Any thoughts or recommendations that would help me better reach my goal?
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Old Jan 3, 2009 | 09:36 PM
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Can I just say that I have an FP Red on E-85 @ 28psi and I think my car is near undriveable at WOT past 3k rpm! I made 440WHP on the CBRD Mustang Dyno and I just got my car back today.... I'm terrified of my car right now! I'll make my own thread and review on Monday........ but to all you guys wanting insane power... do you have any idea what 400WHP is like? I suppose I'll get used to it soon... but when you floor it, everyone and everything else better get of your way. You better have some premium tires too... I have some high performance snow tires and I spin quite a bit from 40 - 60mph in 2nd gear.

I have the EPM 02 dump on my car and its so loud at WOT it blows my mind... love it!

I gotta give props to CBRD for an amazing tune and service. This is all at only 28psi where the turbo is just waking up. I cant imagine ~32 - 35psi. This turbo has lots of room to grow.

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Old Jan 21, 2009 | 12:45 AM
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I'm currently waiting on my RED to get here too.
Along with a Buschur ported IM and 65mm TB.

anxious to see the difference from my current setup with 455awhp..
I've been watching this thread, and will continue.
keep the info coming.
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Old Jan 21, 2009 | 04:48 PM
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I will receive my FP Red ported turbo this friday and hope install it this weekend... but I am a little worry about my engine life... I read too much times here that 400 hp is the limit of the stock engine parts (pistons and rods) and 500hp is like playing with play with fire...

Jestr said to me that with my setup I can reach the 500 hp with race gas... so I dont really sure to do that, maybe I can hold 25 psi and have 400hp with out problems?

The last year I ran a few times with 75hp of wet nitrous without problems and 25psi with race gas and my 680cc injectores, maybe I had 400hp before? I really dont know because we dont have a dyno here, but I made 11.81 in the 1/4 mile.

My goal is to make 11sec or less....

This thread is very useful, keep posting, thanks.
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Old Jan 21, 2009 | 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by griffeyr
na 26 or 27 on dd with red should be good....however, it would really come to life at 30....its all in the tune, as mine wasnt that great
I believe what many guys on this thread are unable to do is realistically visualize the difference from a stock IX turbo on 27-28PSI as opposed to the FP Red on roughly 25-26PSI. I think the FP Red would be a different beast on lower amounts of boost given its flow capacity and assuming all supporting mods are chosen wisely. I am one of those guys that juggles having a strong stock IX turbo, the BBK Full, or the FP Red. The good thing is that I still have an Iraq deployment (fourth) to get my thoughts straight. I'm totally opposed to having to buy the double pumper although I have an E-85 station less than five miles from my house. Then, the question is whether or not the FP Red on pump would be more exciting than the BBK Full on E-85 as 1000cc injectors are recommended with that set-up? Decisions, decisions, decisions...

Originally Posted by Smoothgangsta
Does anyone have a side-by-side picture of the IX turbo and RED? Or IX -> Green -> RED...that would be neat to see all 3 size wise.
As requested...

20G vs. 16G




Red vs. 16G





Red vs. Green





Originally Posted by Evolessfornow
From the FP site:

Q. Why do people say it's not good to get oil feed for the turbo off the cylinder head? Should I use a filter on my oil supply line to my turbo?
A. There are plenty of people who have oiled their turbo off the head and not had any problems, there are just as many if not more that have done it and had recurring turbo failure that was only vaguely described by the repair shop as "poor lubrication". Oil pressure in the cylinder head on a stock 4G63 engine can be less than 5psi at times, while this may be enough oil for a factory 14b, T25 or even 20g it isn't enough to feed the high volume oil passages of the modified thrust setup in your FPGreen or FPRed model turbo. The Garrett severe duty 360 thrust setups also have an increased appetite for lubrication. Think twice before feeding either of these type turbos from the head. Remember that you aren't just trying to keep some oil on the bearing, you are trying to float one piece of metal above another piece of metal on a pressurized film of oil, and at the same time keep the whole mess cool enough not to melt. A constant high volume stream of oil does just that, a measly trickle will send you back to the turbo shop. One exception to this is the Ballistic Concepts Ball Bearing CHRA from Garrett. These turbochargers are totally different internally. Their operation is actually impeded by too much oil. It is fine to supply these turbos with oil from the head. In fact the oil line we offer comes from the head and features a .8mm orifice to restrict the oil flow to the turbo . These turbos require water cooling in the absence of the typical high volume of oil that would normally provide stable temperatures. As far as filters go, you're damned if you do and you're damned if you don't. You shouldn't need one in your oil line. Failures occur due to dirt/grit in the oil making it into the turbocharger. Failures also occur due to plugged filters. We have seen it both ways. If you are going to use a filter, check it often. The most important thing you can do to avoid oil contamination of you turbo is to THUROUGHLY wash everything more than once before assembling your engine. Avoid sandblasting anything that goes inside or onto the engine. Specifically avoid sandblasting your valve cover. If you suspect that the machine shop that did your valve job sandblasted your head then make sure you remove the 4 plugs from each end of the head that cover the ends of the oil gallies and wash the gallies out with HOT SOAPY WATER. If you do this you will be amazed at what comes out of your beautifully machined freshly rebuilt head. If you think all that is a bunch of crap, at least spin the engine over to prime the oil system without the turbo attached so that anything in the gallies has a chance to flush out instead of flush into your new turbo.
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Originally Posted by SRT-TO-EVO
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Originally Posted by Guru
Stock ignition setup works fine for over 500 WHP. Save your money.
Great! So the HKS DLI should suffice for power levels in the 500whp range, right?

Originally Posted by sokaroza
1. yes on e-85 and only 33% meth
I'm no scientist but what benefits do you believe you have running an E-85/meth mix? From my understanding, E-85 is roughly 108 octane.

Originally Posted by Evo H8
Can I just say that I have an FP Red on E-85 @ 28psi and I think my car is near undriveable at WOT past 3k rpm! I made 440WHP on the CBRD Mustang Dyno and I just got my car back today.... I'm terrified of my car right now! I'll make my own thread and review on Monday........ but to all you guys wanting insane power... do you have any idea what 400WHP is like? I suppose I'll get used to it soon... but when you floor it, everyone and everything else better get of your way. You better have some premium tires too... I have some high performance snow tires and I spin quite a bit from 40 - 60mph in 2nd gear. I have the EPM 02 dump on my car and its so loud at WOT it blows my mind... love it! I gotta give props to CBRD for an amazing tune and service. This is all at only 28psi where the turbo is just waking up. I cant imagine ~32 - 35psi. This turbo has lots of room to grow.
I can't wait to read your thread and results!
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Old Jan 21, 2009 | 07:38 PM
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MY NEW SET UP

FP RED(PORTED)
FULL-RACE PRO STOCK
BUSCHUR STAGE 3 HEAD
BUSCHUR PORTED IM/65MM TB
BUSCHUR RACE FMIC
BUSCHUR STAGE 3 BLOCK
HKS DLI
HKS 272 IN/EX
HKS CARBON TI
HKS TWIN CLUTCH
Invidia O2 HOUSEING
780CC INJECTORS
Aquamist HFS-1

NUMBERS COMING SOON!!(CANT WAIT)

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Old Jan 23, 2009 | 07:27 AM
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Stikiller aren't your injectors a little low for red?? I mean I see you have meth and that will help out but wouldn't it be ideal to go up some??
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Old Jan 24, 2009 | 11:31 AM
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i just change them i have 1000cc now
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