Another one bite's the dust 850R again.
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I asked PTE and they confirmed that they DO NOT use 6061 material.
Hey Mike!
The graph Geoff posted is not the car in question. The car in question (Tim's car) has since run 148mph, but that is neither here nor there unless we gauge everything strictly by drag strip times that don't mean much unless we actually enter the car into sanctioned drag races, and many of us (if not most) don't.
What is more important to those of us who prioritize real-world street performance is the fact that Tim's TS 4088R 2.3 delivers 42psi by 4200rpm on the street, and that works out to 700+ft/lbs as early as the mid 4000s rpm. In short, it spools fast and is fun as hell on the street - much more so than something that chugs along until 20 psi finally arrives around 5000rpm. If I could figure a way to get my street setup to be capable of 42psi by 4200rpm and 750+whp at the same time, I'd do it tomorrow.
No one here claimed the 35R and 40R to be the do-all, end-all of turbos in their class. The new billet compressors have already proven to be more efficient. But the downside of PTE's oversight in turbine housing options is that if anything in their lineup can match the type of spool characteristics and power potential of the aforementioned example, we may not see it.
Mike,
The graph Geoff posted is not the car in question. The car in question (Tim's car) has since run 148mph, but that is neither here nor there unless we gauge everything strictly by drag strip times that don't mean much unless we actually enter the car into sanctioned drag races, and many of us (if not most) don't.
What is more important to those of us who prioritize real-world street performance is the fact that Tim's TS 4088R 2.3 delivers 42psi by 4200rpm on the street, and that works out to 700+ft/lbs as early as the mid 4000s rpm. In short, it spools fast and is fun as hell on the street - much more so than something that chugs along until 20 psi finally arrives around 5000rpm. If I could figure a way to get my street setup to be capable of 42psi by 4200rpm and 750+whp at the same time, I'd do it tomorrow.
No one here claimed the 35R and 40R to be the do-all, end-all of turbos in their class. The new billet compressors have already proven to be more efficient. But the downside of PTE's oversight in turbine housing options is that if anything in their lineup can match the type of spool characteristics and power potential of the aforementioned example, we may not see it.
The graph Geoff posted is not the car in question. The car in question (Tim's car) has since run 148mph, but that is neither here nor there unless we gauge everything strictly by drag strip times that don't mean much unless we actually enter the car into sanctioned drag races, and many of us (if not most) don't.
What is more important to those of us who prioritize real-world street performance is the fact that Tim's TS 4088R 2.3 delivers 42psi by 4200rpm on the street, and that works out to 700+ft/lbs as early as the mid 4000s rpm. In short, it spools fast and is fun as hell on the street - much more so than something that chugs along until 20 psi finally arrives around 5000rpm. If I could figure a way to get my street setup to be capable of 42psi by 4200rpm and 750+whp at the same time, I'd do it tomorrow.
No one here claimed the 35R and 40R to be the do-all, end-all of turbos in their class. The new billet compressors have already proven to be more efficient. But the downside of PTE's oversight in turbine housing options is that if anything in their lineup can match the type of spool characteristics and power potential of the aforementioned example, we may not see it.
148 is not 156+./.. check back a few pages and maybe edit..
4088 and 4094 have no use in the EVO WORLD.. I am not going to add anything more..
Last edited by AWD Motorsports; Feb 17, 2009 at 09:21 PM.
No 148 isn't 155, but my point is that I, like many here, drive my car on the street almost 100% of the time. If getting a possible 155mph drag strip trap speed from 148 requires that I lose 1000rpm of spool and slower response, something I'll have to live with everyday, I'll take the 148 and much faster spool and response every time. The fact of the matter is that something capable of 148mph traps is so much faster than just about anything else driven on the roads anyway that it's ridiculous.
Not everyone shares your priorities. What you don't like may be perfect for someone else, and vice versa.
Not everyone shares your priorities. What you don't like may be perfect for someone else, and vice versa.
No 148 isn't 155, but my point is that I, like many here, drive my car on the street almost 100% of the time. If getting a possible 155mph drag strip trap speed from 148 requires that I lose 1000rpm of spool time, I'll take the 148 and much faster spool every time. The fact of the matter is that something capable of 148mph traps is so much faster than just about anything else driven on the roads that it's ridiculous.
Not everyone shares your priorities. What you don't like may be perfect for someone else, and vice versa.
Not everyone shares your priorities. What you don't like may be perfect for someone else, and vice versa.
there are only a couple guys buying into what i call the TWIN SCROLL HYPE.. Im sorry maybe all the tests i have done on my own cars were wrong but 4088 and 4094 dont see 40psi @ 4000~.. if they do they are lazy pigs on top.. You guys got magic in the air i guess..
Mike
The 4094R is slower spooling, and shouldn't even be included in this discussion. Still, there are guys in Scandinavia running those on 800-900whp BMW 2.5L, and they swear by them. Go figure.
As for the 4088R, and what it does with certain setups, we can only rely upon what gets reported, like we do for everything we see here that isn't our own car. But again, 700+ft lbs is nothing to sneeze at. As for if there are newer, billet compressor T3/T4 turbos that can deliver more peak power potential, of course there are. You have one on your car. That much is inarguable.
As for the 4088R, and what it does with certain setups, we can only rely upon what gets reported, like we do for everything we see here that isn't our own car. But again, 700+ft lbs is nothing to sneeze at. As for if there are newer, billet compressor T3/T4 turbos that can deliver more peak power potential, of course there are. You have one on your car. That much is inarguable.
The 4094R is slower spooling, and shouldn't even be included in this discussion. Still, there are guys in Scandinavia running those on 800-900whp BMW 2.5L, and they swear by them. Go figure.
As for the 4088R, and what it does with certain setups, we can only rely upon what gets reported, like we do for everything we see here that isn't our own car. But again, 700+ft lbs is nothing to sneeze at. As for if there are newer, billet compressor T3/T4 turbos that can deliver more peak power potential, of course there are. You have one on your car. That much is inarguable.
As for the 4088R, and what it does with certain setups, we can only rely upon what gets reported, like we do for everything we see here that isn't our own car. But again, 700+ft lbs is nothing to sneeze at. As for if there are newer, billet compressor T3/T4 turbos that can deliver more peak power potential, of course there are. You have one on your car. That much is inarguable.
Mike
Mike,
The graph Geoff posted is not the car in question. The car in question (Tim's car) has since run 148mph, but that is neither here nor there unless we gauge everything strictly by drag strip times that don't mean much unless we actually enter the car into sanctioned drag races, and many of us (if not most) don't.
What is more important to those of us who prioritize real-world street performance is the fact that Tim's TS 4088R 2.3 delivers 42psi by 4200rpm on the street, and that works out to 700+ft/lbs as early as the mid 4000s rpm. In short, it spools fast and is fun as hell on the street - much more so than something that chugs along until 20 psi finally arrives around 5000rpm. If I could figure a way to get my street setup to be capable of 42psi by 4200rpm and 750+whp at the same time, I'd do it tomorrow.
No one here claimed the 35R and 40R to be the do-all, end-all of turbos in their class. The new billet compressors have already proven to be more efficient. But the downside of PTE's oversight in turbine housing options is that if anything in their lineup can match the type of spool characteristics and power potential of the aforementioned example, we may not see it.
The graph Geoff posted is not the car in question. The car in question (Tim's car) has since run 148mph, but that is neither here nor there unless we gauge everything strictly by drag strip times that don't mean much unless we actually enter the car into sanctioned drag races, and many of us (if not most) don't.
What is more important to those of us who prioritize real-world street performance is the fact that Tim's TS 4088R 2.3 delivers 42psi by 4200rpm on the street, and that works out to 700+ft/lbs as early as the mid 4000s rpm. In short, it spools fast and is fun as hell on the street - much more so than something that chugs along until 20 psi finally arrives around 5000rpm. If I could figure a way to get my street setup to be capable of 42psi by 4200rpm and 750+whp at the same time, I'd do it tomorrow.
No one here claimed the 35R and 40R to be the do-all, end-all of turbos in their class. The new billet compressors have already proven to be more efficient. But the downside of PTE's oversight in turbine housing options is that if anything in their lineup can match the type of spool characteristics and power potential of the aforementioned example, we may not see it.
I'm thinking of going with the 6765 as well in my 2.3 I started a thread "850R or better" . I'm just like SHARKBITE, I like to move it move it.
A bit off topic but what are the gear ratio's of the stock trans 1st-5th? Especially 5th.
I got a shep trans when my 6spd destroyed itself but I didn't get the 4.11 upgrade and now I'm thinking I should have.
It's fast enough. But If I'm cruising at 100mph in 5th, I need to down shift to 4th, get up to 120 and then shift to 5th then boost with my 35R.
A bit off topic but what are the gear ratio's of the stock trans 1st-5th? Especially 5th.
I got a shep trans when my 6spd destroyed itself but I didn't get the 4.11 upgrade and now I'm thinking I should have.
It's fast enough. But If I'm cruising at 100mph in 5th, I need to down shift to 4th, get up to 120 and then shift to 5th then boost with my 35R.
I can't agree with TedB more
"What is more important to those of us who prioritize real-world street performance is the fact that Tim's TS 4088R 2.3 delivers 42psi by 4200rpm on the street, and that works out to 700+ft/lbs as early as the mid 4000s rpm. In short, it spools fast and is fun as hell on the street - much more so than something that chugs along until 20 psi finally arrives around 5000rpm"
Put you big *** single scroll turbo on a roadcourse and see how it does.. just look at the time attack cars in the UK, they all got TS.
as for 1/4 miles, if that is what you after yes i feel that a SC will work better and will be able to carry more boost up top.
It is hard to explain but with a TS the bottom end feels meaty and does not drive like a lethargic SC.
I reckon you build a car for it's inteneded purpose, as a street setup or roadcourse setup .... the big single scroll stands no chance.
I can tell you one thing, a guy with a 4088 would be able to pull of a AUTOX.... won't do well but it will own the big SC hands down.
again, if i was building a drag car.. i would go SC
"What is more important to those of us who prioritize real-world street performance is the fact that Tim's TS 4088R 2.3 delivers 42psi by 4200rpm on the street, and that works out to 700+ft/lbs as early as the mid 4000s rpm. In short, it spools fast and is fun as hell on the street - much more so than something that chugs along until 20 psi finally arrives around 5000rpm"
Put you big *** single scroll turbo on a roadcourse and see how it does.. just look at the time attack cars in the UK, they all got TS.
as for 1/4 miles, if that is what you after yes i feel that a SC will work better and will be able to carry more boost up top.
It is hard to explain but with a TS the bottom end feels meaty and does not drive like a lethargic SC.
I reckon you build a car for it's inteneded purpose, as a street setup or roadcourse setup .... the big single scroll stands no chance.
I can tell you one thing, a guy with a 4088 would be able to pull of a AUTOX.... won't do well but it will own the big SC hands down.
again, if i was building a drag car.. i would go SC
Last edited by Whoop_ass; Feb 17, 2009 at 10:38 PM.
I just want fast all the time!! LOL I like the track, I'd like to be quick at the track 9s but I have to be able to drive it for fun aswell. there has to be a good medium.
I agree that if you go all out Drag that it will not perform as well on the streets, that's just Obvious!
I'd like to know what would be the best turbo, FUN/good for abusing in the 1/4 mile yet good for high speed/Boost on the streets. I've been told that the 6765 that's coming out is the answer to that question.
That may be the best bet for SharkBite he we sound like we have similar interests, if that is what you go with. (I'm not sure when it comes out.) Please let me know how you like it!!
I agree that if you go all out Drag that it will not perform as well on the streets, that's just Obvious!
I'd like to know what would be the best turbo, FUN/good for abusing in the 1/4 mile yet good for high speed/Boost on the streets. I've been told that the 6765 that's coming out is the answer to that question.
That may be the best bet for SharkBite he we sound like we have similar interests, if that is what you go with. (I'm not sure when it comes out.) Please let me know how you like it!!
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I am going 6765 as soon as I get my hands on one, I'm going to give it the real world test to hell with the dyno!!!
I just want fast all the time!! LOL I like the track, I'd like to be quick at the track 9s but I have to be able to drive it for fun aswell. there has to be a good medium.
I agree that if you go all out Drag that it will not perform as well on the streets, that's just Obvious!
I'd like to know what would be the best turbo, FUN/good for abusing in the 1/4 mile yet good for high speed/Boost on the streets. I've been told that the 6765 that's coming out is the answer to that question.
I agree that if you go all out Drag that it will not perform as well on the streets, that's just Obvious!
I'd like to know what would be the best turbo, FUN/good for abusing in the 1/4 mile yet good for high speed/Boost on the streets. I've been told that the 6765 that's coming out is the answer to that question.
but I don't think a t3 turbo running 40psi is the answer to building a super fast street car... Most people bolt on big turbo's because of peer pressure and are dissapointed - some never recover from the dissapointment and end up selling their cars without fully enjoying it.
This is were Geof, Ted and Whoopa$$ seem to be making the most sense here a big Turbo like the GT4088R which spools better than a SS 35R = more fun period...
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