ACT, you suck
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If it does help someone save a little bit of money and not have an issue like you then you are right. Mission accomplished. I do feel bad about that though man. I watched that video and it sounded violent as hell. Glad mine doesn't do that.
I guess I'm one of the lucky few that doesn't get locked out much... I can count on one hand how many times I've been locked out (maybe both hands, LOL) in the ~36,000 miles I've had my ACT HDSS in. This is with 35-40 drag passes, ~100 launches (street), 3+ seasons of auto-x, and shifting above 7k (7300rpm on stock turbo, 8k on FPRed). Iono, maybe it's because I'm using a Gruppe-S flywheel and not the ACT?
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From: somewhere testing various tires, brakes, and suspensions.
This was on the ACT and stock flywheel.
And inversely, I am running the F3.2 on the ACT Prolite
I agree with TTP I was not a fan of the Fidanza design. And picking the right parts is how to be successful.
TTP, I have great respect for your experience and opinions. You guys are actually one of the best shops around, IMHO.
I only want to point out that the ACT XTSS clutch has been misery for me, and that it has nothing to do with user error, lack of supporting mods, or even my flywheel you hate so much
Maybe you're right, maybe my flywheel makes the combination worse, but we don't need to dispute that here as long as we can agree that the XTSS causes lockout even without it, which it certainly does, based on the overwhelming outcry of the community.
If this thread has changed anyone's mind about buying that clutch, then perhaps we can all agree we can declare mission accomplished.
I only want to point out that the ACT XTSS clutch has been misery for me, and that it has nothing to do with user error, lack of supporting mods, or even my flywheel you hate so much
Maybe you're right, maybe my flywheel makes the combination worse, but we don't need to dispute that here as long as we can agree that the XTSS causes lockout even without it, which it certainly does, based on the overwhelming outcry of the community.If this thread has changed anyone's mind about buying that clutch, then perhaps we can all agree we can declare mission accomplished.
ACT clutches do and will always have their place in this community and its up to the individual (with help from major EVO shops) to choose the right one. if you pick the wrong one, and it screws up, you cant blame the company.
thats almost like saying "that damn fp hta35r spools to slow. it made me lose my auto-x title and im an award winning driving. FP YOU SUCK!!"
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i think the main problem some people have is that with a title of "ACT, YOU SUCK" you are seemingly trying to have the evo community boycott ACT because YOU have have picked the wrong clutch for your application.
ACT clutches do and will always have their place in this community and its up to the individual (with help from major EVO shops) to choose the right one. if you pick the wrong one, and it screws up, you cant blame the company.
thats almost like saying "that damn fp hta35r spools to slow. it made me lose my auto-x title and im an award winning driving. FP YOU SUCK!!"
ACT clutches do and will always have their place in this community and its up to the individual (with help from major EVO shops) to choose the right one. if you pick the wrong one, and it screws up, you cant blame the company.
thats almost like saying "that damn fp hta35r spools to slow. it made me lose my auto-x title and im an award winning driving. FP YOU SUCK!!"
You're right, I did pick the wrong clutch. And I'm sorry but if ACT continues to take a stand-off approach to customers with genuinely poor performing products, AND still have the ***** to continue selling the XTSS with no disclaimer or guarantee, then they, in every sense of the word, suck.
#1 Street discs are not good for high rpm shifting.
#2 Extreme clamping force makes it worse.
#3 Fidanza flywheels are the worst available and contribute to improperly shifting clutches.
#2 Extreme clamping force makes it worse.
#3 Fidanza flywheels are the worst available and contribute to improperly shifting clutches.
I went to the track yesterday and every guy with an ACT street disc (all had 2900 pressure plates) in his Evo continually got high RPM lockout. There is definitely something wrong with the product if a street disc isn't able to be shifted properly between 6500-7500 RPM's (well below the stock rev-limter). The guy with a sprung 6-puck and 2900 PP was having no issues though.
I picked the wrong clutch? My car makes 374wtq and I want to shift at 7500... What about the XTSS makes it the wrong choice on my part? Its a street disc and extreme pressure plate, this isn't rocket science. If there's anything wrong about my application its only the fact that I have an Evo and the XTSS is clearly not usable with Evos.
You're right, I did pick the wrong clutch. And I'm sorry but if ACT continues to take a stand-off approach to customers with genuinely poor performing products, AND still have the ***** to continue selling the XTSS with no disclaimer or guarantee, then they, in every sense of the word, suck.
You're right, I did pick the wrong clutch. And I'm sorry but if ACT continues to take a stand-off approach to customers with genuinely poor performing products, AND still have the ***** to continue selling the XTSS with no disclaimer or guarantee, then they, in every sense of the word, suck.
People have lockouts with the stock clutch at high rpms. The more you increase the clamping force on the pressure place, the worse it gets. Since you chose the highest clamping force pull type clutch pressure plate available, you are experiencing difficultly possibly attributed to the pressure plate, but more solely resting on the crappy flywheel.
I went to the track yesterday and every guy with an ACT street disc (all had 2900 pressure plates) in his Evo continually got high RPM lockout. There is definitely something wrong with the product if a street disc isn't able to be shifted properly between 6500-7500 RPM's (well below the stock rev-limter). The guy with a sprung 6-puck and 2900 PP was having no issues though.
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I'm running stock bushings and stock mounts. My ACT HDSS shifts thru the gears perfectly. I haven't had any lock out issues and that is with 50-100 launches on the street and the strip. I haven't launched it since installing the red so I guess I will find out soon. To the OP that 1.6 60ft was looking sick you cam ripping out the hole I love it too bad about the 4th gear lockout.