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Old Aug 12, 2009 | 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by dsm25psi
How can you say anything about sparktech when you dont have one or never used one? when i pay huge amount of money for something, i dont expect to be very very fragile do i? I had problems with my sparktech so its not like it never breaks or made out of the best parts in the world, its a nice system but it has its lil problem too.
i did my research, and spark tech had nothing but good reviews. it also looks like a very good system. it's well made, and has the features i'm looking for. everything has problems, so that arguement is stupid.

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Ok, lets stop the arguing. What was said has been. I actually do appreciate ODUBs comments, it gives me something to strive toward. If you think producing something is easy, THINK AGAIN. There are about a million things to address that I would never even think of before. BTW my wire loom is high temp, not the cheap stuff!
i never said producing anything was cheap or easy, but when you look at the competition, then you look at yours, c'mon now. the things you could do to improve are very minor. for example, shape up the mounting plate a bit. spray paint it high temp black. paint is cheap and easy, but would look 1000000 times better and more expensive. also, that wire loom, find one that doesn't look like crap. the connectors, find some that don't stick up and out like that, or at least find a better way to route the wires. it just looks sloppy. your product may be good, but some people will never want to find out just because it doesn't look the part. so you have one part that looks spectacular with all the reviews and test to back it up, then you have yours with a handful of customers and it looks sloppy... it's a no brainer.

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But you're still in Sparktech's sig....

ODUB, if someone trades their ST COP in for the "knockoff", you should pay attention, and maybe ask for some details?
not interested because that's one case. there are people that have traded in EVO IX MR's just like mine for honda civics. does that mean i should inquire about that too and go trade my car in? no. that's an exception, not the norm. not important in the big picture unless it's a common problem.
Old Aug 12, 2009 | 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by ODUB
i did my research, and spark tech had nothing but good reviews. it also looks like a very good system. it's well made, and has the features i'm looking for. everything has problems, so that arguement is stupid.

not interested because that's one case. there are people that have traded in EVO IX MR's just like mine for honda civics. does that mean i should inquire about that too and go trade my car in? no. that's an exception, not the norm. not important in the big picture unless it's a common problem.
more excellent logic
Old Aug 12, 2009 | 01:32 PM
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more excellent logic
it actually is. the logic is sound, and you're a fanboi with no common sense, or capacity to process anything being discussed in this thread, so you just quote and post smileys. good job
Old Aug 12, 2009 | 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by ODUB
it actually is. the logic is sound, and you're a fanboi with no common sense, or capacity to process anything being discussed in this thread, so you just quote and post smileys. good job
Well obviously you think so, just because it makes sense to a stupid person doesn't mean it's correct...

The only ignition system I have is the stock one. Not a fanboi of ANYONE.
Old Aug 12, 2009 | 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Tallen
Ok, lets stop the arguing. What was said has been. I actually do appreciate ODUBs comments, it gives me something to strive toward. If you think producing something is easy, THINK AGAIN. There are about a million things to address that I would never even think of before. BTW my wire loom is high temp, not the cheap stuff!
Welcome to the site and congrats on vendor status; hopefully the threads singing the praises of your kit will not get deleted now I've been eying your kit and will probably hold out to see what your latest revision looks like. I'll be able to test if it's compatible w/ the DLI2 as well; I'm guessing that if your kit works w/ the SUN unit it will work w/ the HKS since they are the same basic concept/layout.
Old Aug 12, 2009 | 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by JordanS4
Well obviously you think so, just because it makes sense to a stupid person doesn't mean it's correct...

The only ignition system I have is the stock one. Not a fanboi of ANYONE.
well then why are you even here? you don't know anything about either system and yet you're playing fanboi to the cheap one. do everyone a favor and just stfu.
Old Aug 12, 2009 | 01:51 PM
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I can vouch for Craig and Sparktech. The drivability was greatly improved. I went from a .024 to an .030 gap. Take 10 minutes to install. I even just kept the old plugs in to give this setup a real test. I'm very impressed.
Highly recommend!

I will say it's nice to see other alternatives but I agree with others, the craftsmanship is worth it to me. I am not a fan of the cheaper wiring on the alternative as I drive my car 12 months a year everywhere so worrying about the possibility of issues isn't worth the savings. More testing will tell though for you guys. Good luck.

Just my $.02
Old Aug 12, 2009 | 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by ODUB
it actually is. the logic is sound, and you're a fanboi with no common sense, or capacity to process anything being discussed in this thread, so you just quote and post smileys. good job
How can you bash something that you have no experience on? I dont know what you're looking at, but the one I saw at the shop looks very clean to me. I'm not a fanboi, I dont have his product...but what you're doing right now is...hating.
Old Aug 12, 2009 | 01:55 PM
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let me say this about Tallen's kit. i don't think it's a bad kit, or bad design, but there is definately room for improvement. IF those improvements had been made prior to ordering, i may have strongly considered his kit. based on the established data and tons of satisfied customers all over the world, and the proven long term durability of the spark tech kits, and the fact that it has all the features i want (including using the stock cover, and being resistant to heat), it was a no brainer for me. like i said, i want to make sure i only have to buy this ONCE. good luck to Tallen and his future revisions of the kit. hopefully you'll take the suggestions/criticism in a positive way and use it to improve your kit. the things i told you were the reasons i didn't buy it, and i'm sure why a lot of others won't either. do a few things differently and you may have a strong contender.

that said, i do not believe that the quality, workmanship, or durability is up to par with the Spark Tech kit because it's not. On www.spoolinup.com he even says that it's vulnerable to heat, and it is just a fact that it IS MADE WITH CHEAPER PARTS. not that that means his system is a bad one, but it's not the best. i wanted the best, and one that i know will last. period.
Old Aug 12, 2009 | 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by SPEED
How can you bash something that you have no experience on? I dont know what you're looking at, but the one I saw at the shop looks very clean to me. I'm not a fanboi, I dont have his product...but what you're doing right now is...hating.
do me a favor and actually READ my posts before commenting with ignorance. i'm not bashing or hating (although i am known as a hater, because i am). read what i said, then comment.
Old Aug 12, 2009 | 01:59 PM
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I dont think he claims it to be the best, but more best bang for your bucks. Sparktech will be an over kill for your setup imo, seems like you have your mind set already anyhow. Good luck.
Old Aug 12, 2009 | 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by ODUB
do me a favor and actually READ my posts before commenting with ignorance. i'm not bashing or hating (although i am known as a hater, because i am). read what i said, then comment.
You have no clue what your talking about after I read your 3rd post. I dont like to waste time with people like you.
Old Aug 12, 2009 | 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by SPEED
I dont think he claims it to be the best, but more best bang for your bucks. Sparktech will be an over kill for your setup imo, seems like you have your mind set already anyhow. Good luck.
anything more than stock is overkill for my setup, but stock is the worst setup out there. it's not as reliable, or durable. i want to buy something and be done.

i never said he claimed to be the best because he doesn't. all his fanbois do. i also never said his system was bad. like i said, read my posts. don't come in at the end of a thread and start up a bunch of **** that was discussed 3 pages ago. i'm not going to repeat all the stuff i already said. if you want to know my ACTUAL opinions, go back and read the thread before posting again.

if you'd read, you'd know i already ordered the spark tech, and it will be here friday.
Old Aug 12, 2009 | 02:05 PM
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I think this thread has run its course.


Let me say this - I think ODUB's post (#69) is a very good way of viewing the options. Cost, workmanship, quality, reliability, performance - you can't have it all. He made his choice, which may not be the right choice for everyone, especially if cost is your primary consideration.

Good luck to ODUB w/ the new setup.




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