Alright this thread is aimed at all those guys with FP Red's in their Evos. I've decided that the Red is gonna provide the spool and power levels I want. So I'm looking for advice and guidance on getting the red those proper supporting mods. Here is the parts list that I've worked up...

FP Red with evo 8 install kit
AMS FMIC
Mishimoto Radiator
SparkTech Non-CDI System
272 Cams (HKS, GSC or Cosworth)
AMS Basic Engine Rebuild Kit (might not be completely necessary but I want that block strong)
Meth Kit (havent decided on brand but something with 5 gal tank)
springs/retainers/valves
720cc's and AMS Fuel rail

Boost will be run around 26-28 psi

I'll be doing the suspension and other crap but that will be in other threads So there.

Right now the car has the following...

APR Head Studs
Injen intake w/ UI Pipe
Exedy Twin disk Carbon clutch
Shep stage 2 trans Case
Complete tranny rebuild
Full 3" turbo back w/ test pipe
Walbro 255
Greddy Profec Spec II
Dynoflash tune with stock turbo/ecu (they'll do the tune on the red)

Let me know what your opinion/advice is. Cost really isn't an option since the wife and I are coming home from Afghanistan, so if you've got something to add that I missed let me know. And thanks for the help.

Build will be done shortly after my re-deployment leave in March 2010

 

I wish cost wasnt an option haa... Sounds like you have most of the stuff on there. I would prob opt for bigger injectors incase you want to run race gas etc.... I personally would like to see some more results from the fpblacks since its the same price

 

dont get the twin. get the triple. my twin was slipping when i was at about 400hp and with your build you will be more than that. I am running stock block with kelford 272 and red. and i just ran 10.79

 

good luck on your build, it sounds like a nasty one...!

 

How much boost were you running ??

 

25 psi... making only about 446hp on 100 octane...

 

Suck.

OP: Go Aquamist! I've been running the HFS-1 for about 20 months now and love it! The HFS-6 is nasty too Good luck finding a 5 gallon tank to fit though, maybe shoot for the big 6-quart flambeau tanks plumbed together.

Your cam choice is all over the place. Kelford makes the best 272 kit on the market for the evo8 IMHO for your average evo...otherwise since you're doing valvesprings then the GSC S2's if you can up the ante a little

I would skip the following or do them at the tail end of your build. Not needed but def worth keeping in mind:
AMS Basic Engine Rebuild Kit
Mishimoto Radiator
SparkTech Non-CDI System

 

The 720's are probably too dinky for the job. I'd think that 750's-780's would be the absolute minimum with the Red and Meth. But, even those seem kinda dinky. You'd probably be better off going with 880's at least.

A lot of the guys with your projected setup would just go for 1000-1250c.c. nozzles right off the bat. Considering the current advances in ECU tuning, the 1000cc and up nozzles can be made to idle and transition impeccably. So there is no reason to not go bigger initially.

Additionally, the Greddy/Denso 720's flow more like a smaller 680 injector. They have been tested to go nearly static on a stock-engined Evo, equipped with the smallish, original FP Green turbo( 47 lb. compressor) at 24-26, on pump gas. So, be careful!

You don`t need Meth to run 25-28# with the Red. You can tune it to run within that modest boost range on straight pumpgas. The Red's compressor doesn't really come into its sweet spot until well over 30#. So, when you do your Meth tune you'll probably end up wanting to run 30-32#. I am guessing that you will run out of injector at those boost levels with the 720's.... even with the Meth injection. So, for sure, on straight pump, at anything above 26# you'll go lean with the 720's.

 

Ported fp red 1985(you need oil line kit as well)
Meth injection or e85 900
ported intake manifold 300+core
ported T/B 300+core
Tubular exhaust manifold 500-1000
3" TBE 300-600
Test pipe 100
Ported SS o2 housing or Dump tube 65-250
Kelford 272 500
Spring and Retainer upgrade 350
intercooler piping 250
intake/ air filter 100
3.5" Intercooler 600-700
Aps twin vent or bov of your choice 250
Exedy twin clutch 1700
wideband guage 200
boost guage 50
PTE 1000cc injectors 300
Buschur Double pumper(single pump max at 460-480 whp) 500
30psi free
Aggressive Tune 300

Labor = 1000 and up

There you go this gives you a ideal of the kind of money your looking to spend. You have to pay to play

i would not waste you money on
AMS Basic Engine Rebuild Kit
SparkTech Non-CDI System

I personally have the Mishimoto Radiator and love it it gets the job done with better temps but the only reason why i did it was when i was installing radiator hoses i broke the nozzle so my rad was spraying coolant everywhere lol. SO i had to replace it after doing homework this was a great bang for the buck and install easy with no fitment issues. Is it NEEDED probaly not at all

 

Thanks for all the feedback. Big help from all, gave me some more options to look at. I'll probably up the size of the injectors and go with the GSC s2 cams since im going to be using their other valve train components in the block.

This is a little off topic but what do you guys think about the newer FP Green 73HTA?

Right now I've got no intention of stroking the engine and this turbo was putting out some impressive numbers on a stock block evo 8, 452hp @24psi on 93 octane.

Any other ideas for the Red are still greatly appreciated. So close to coming home I cant wait to friggin drive again. Thanks again.

 

If E-85 is availible in your area i would try to go that route..... more power and its only like 2.30 a gallon

 

Well I'm in upstate NY but since im in the military I move around alot so Im not gonna commit to E-85 right now. Trying to go back to Ft. Knox and I dont remember them having E-85 in the area. Im also not very up-to-date on it. What kind of modifications are needed to run it? I'm guessing some kind of conversion kit. And could you still run pumpgas through one of those kits?

 

The exedy twin hd will hold fine for anything the red can make. How or why you killed yours at such a low power is a mystery.. unless you had an SD version...



At those boost levels you wont need a COP.. unless your stock ignition is dying or died.. like mine did. HKS 272s are a waste for that turbo.. get the gsc2 or kelford272s. Go with FP's beehive springs - and stock valves. I suggest 850's for injectors.. I am running 950s tho.. because I have them.. And your stock fuel rail should be just fine for 26psi... Oh.. and the rad.. not really needed.. evo's dont tend to overheat or have heat issuses... due to that giant hole in our hood.

 

@Scout - If going ethanol you need bigger injectors (I'd go for 1250s or bigger with the build you are talking about in this thread) and going the way you are going (fp-red) you'd likely also need a double pumper. Other than that, you could run ethanol or pump, you'd just need to run a specific flash for one then the other, so you'd probably want a tactrix cable as well so you could switch back and forth.

Agreed on the other posts in here though - 880 injectors with the build the way you laid it out initially, probably no need for an aftermarket radiator but the system will run cooler, no need for the engine build kit or the SparkTech. As for running meth, you likely won't need it for 26psi - 28psi; it depends on your tuner/fuel available. If going the route of the Red I would definitely add it and crank the boost above 30psi.

I don't have personal context on the HTA Green other than what I've read, but the spool is supposed to be pretty sweet and closer to stock than the red. Another option might be the BBK-full or wait for the new BBK. What your actual goal is would be good to know. It seems like 452whp is enticing to you, which means the Red + meth could be more than you need.

Come home safe and build it up!

 

Ughhhh....Just when I was thinking the FP Red was an option....I heard the initial Reds had all sorts of issues....Your data seems to indicate there are still problems...

To OP - bigger injectors - same price and more future options...