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Old Dec 21, 2012 | 08:24 AM
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I dont know at which point having more plates is overkill. As with most things, I would imagine there is a point of diminishing returns past a certain amount. Its sort of like the hand held razors, what are they up to like 5 blades? Pretty soon it wont be a razorblade but rather a hand held strip of a dozen blades.
LOL. i saw a meme about that. it was a razor with, like 10 blades and it took off three layers of skin., haha. anyway.. i do have the one with 5. i gotta say, it's the best feeling razor ever.

sorry off topic.

i can't imagine 1,000,000 plates in my diff can be a good thing. kinda like having a GIANT turbo on my car. i can, but why?
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Old Dec 22, 2012 | 11:49 AM
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The plates in the diff are the same principle as a clutch, the torque holding increases each time you add a plate with the same force applied. I have the 12 plate and it chartered for a couple of weeks then went away, I know it still spins both tires but ive been thinking about upgrading to a carbonetic 1.5 rear diff so I can still have some lock up for turn in off throttle.
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Old Jan 21, 2013 | 03:58 AM
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nice find

Nice!
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Old Jan 21, 2013 | 07:15 AM
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Originally Posted by gotpsi?
The plates in the diff are the same principle as a clutch, the torque holding increases each time you add a plate with the same force applied. I have the 12 plate and it chartered for a couple of weeks then went away, I know it still spins both tires but ive been thinking about upgrading to a carbonetic 1.5 rear diff so I can still have some lock up for turn in off throttle.
I still haven't heard exactly how partial lock up from a 1.5 way in off throttle situations helps turn in. Can anyone clear that up? Hoping to get a Shep or TRE rebuilt diff next month.

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Old Jan 21, 2013 | 07:35 AM
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I still haven't heard exactly how partial lock up from a 1.5 way on off throttle situations helps turn in. Can anyone clear that up? Hoping to get a Shep or TRE rebuilt diff next month.
please do - I'm the OP lol but I wasn't clear about this either - I thought any initial lockup/lockup off throttle would hinder turn in - is this in exchange for more lockup when you're actually on throttle?

I think this is where the benefit of AYC comes into play - totally open at braking/very initial turn in, then starts locking up/sending power as you turn the wheel etc.
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Old Jan 21, 2013 | 07:57 AM
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From my understanding, the benefit of the 1.5way diff's locking off-throttle is increased stability under heavy braking.
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Old Jan 21, 2013 | 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Raptord
From my understanding, the benefit of the 1.5way diff's locking off-throttle is increased stability under heavy braking.
A 2-way differential will have the same limiting torque Trq d in both the forward and reverse directions. This means the differential will provide some level of limiting under engine braking.

A 1-way differential will provide its limiting action in only one direction. When torque is applied in the opposite direction it behaves like an open differential. In the case of a FWD car it is argued to be safer than a 2-way differential.[6] The argument is if there is no additional coupling on overrun, i.e. a 1-way LSD as soon as the driver lifts the throttle, the LSD unlocks and behaves somewhat like a conventional open differential. This is also the best for FWD cars, as it allows the car to turn in on throttle release, instead of ploughing forward.[6]

A 1.5-way differential refers to one where the forward and reverse limiting torques, Trq d_fwd, d_rev , are different but neither is zero as in the case of the 1-way LSD. This type of differential is common in racing cars where a strong limiting torque can aid stability under engine braking.
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Old Jan 27, 2013 | 09:04 PM
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Originally Posted by kaj
A 2-way differential will have the same limiting torque Trq d in both the forward and reverse directions. This means the differential will provide some level of limiting under engine braking.

A 1-way differential will provide its limiting action in only one direction. When torque is applied in the opposite direction it behaves like an open differential. In the case of a FWD car it is argued to be safer than a 2-way differential.[6] The argument is if there is no additional coupling on overrun, i.e. a 1-way LSD as soon as the driver lifts the throttle, the LSD unlocks and behaves somewhat like a conventional open differential. This is also the best for FWD cars, as it allows the car to turn in on throttle release, instead of ploughing forward.[6]

A 1.5-way differential refers to one where the forward and reverse limiting torques, Trq d_fwd, d_rev , are different but neither is zero as in the case of the 1-way LSD. This type of differential is common in racing cars where a strong limiting torque can aid stability under engine braking.
good info
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Old Feb 6, 2013 | 01:21 PM
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i need to update the OP..
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Old Feb 7, 2013 | 08:17 PM
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updated the OP a little
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Old Feb 8, 2013 | 08:17 AM
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Ordered the Weir 12-plate, was $200 shipped. Will be running it in my OEM diff with Diaqueen to keep it quiet. On my track tune I expect to run about 450 whp, on my daily driven street tune I will be running roughly 500 whp. Can't wait to see the difference in oversteer and rotation.
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Old Feb 9, 2013 | 05:50 AM
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I am running the WEIR 12 plate with Reline NS, with great results.
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Old Feb 9, 2013 | 10:26 AM
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wow. $200 shipped..can't beat that. install is easy - I recently took a spare diff apart to rearrange the plates. super easy. I did forget to mark the ring gear's position, though, when I took everything apart....hopefully it's right.
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Old Feb 9, 2013 | 07:25 PM
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are these weir kits 1 way or 1.5 way? i was never sure
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Old Feb 9, 2013 | 08:13 PM
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figured id throw this here instead of a new thread...

in the case of the TRE rear diff, does anyone think the HD side cover is necessary on a road race car? i have never launched my car, and dont plan too, it will never go to the drag strip.
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