car made 537whp and 466 ft/lb same day a 30r roated sti made 350whp at 21psi... so YES it does ready low. Same day a full bolt on evoIX with cams made 320whp.... same day a evoX with TBE and cobb AP and Intake made 310whp....

 

what you posted proves nothing...

as i said... throw a stock IX on there and see where it is at.... i had IXs with bolts ons cams and every bell and whistle would leave the dyno barely breaking 300.

It really doesn't matter, its a tuning tool right ? I just wish everyone would get off the "it reads low" deal, it hasnt read that low in years. Seeing as though i am the ONLY one in this community with YEARS of experience on that dyno... Id say my opinion carries some weight with it.

But Mike, im sure the car feels stupid on the road, and i totally agree with you, on pump its no fun, on something else... she wakes right up.

 

Shell be back in the DJ here soon and then we can all get over it......

 

You know i dont care either way... its not about what a car does or doesn't put down. Its all about the "heartbreaker" There is nothing to dispute about how much power his car is actually making, its a ton nomatter what dyno its on. I'm again, just making the point that the dyno is a lot less of a record stealer than it use to be.

Next time you swing by the shop, I will show you a little bit of evidence I have on the computer.

 

That's why I only use a d.j there no it reads 12 to 15% less then a d.j that's crap in my book..I know it's a toll but it's also nice to know where the car stands to match up your times and trap speed..

 

I just don't think all the hype that was prematurely made about the 5857 turbo kit still justifies its cost, spool characteristics or 93 pump #'s. Like stated before, you had to do alot to the car to get the numbers made on a dynojet and pump, regardless if it was only on wgp. In reality, how the car is setup isn't what most customers have money to spend on and to net such little results just doesn't make sense to most dollar for dollar. Its a good marketing tool I suppose to say it made XXXhp. Nonetheless, the car looks good and the power looks nice for what the turbo is and E85. Nothing really to get over. It is what it is....

Good seeing you the other day Bobby

 

I believe the hype was taken to the next level when something was said to the effect that the 58 was somewhat better than a black and someone got their feelings hurt. I personally don't care either way. My intent then and now has been exactly the same, what can this thing do?, cuz everyone had already written it off. I'm taking the time, with Force-Fed's help of course, to squeeze every bit of power out of it first, then decide what power level was reliable on the track/road course. That's where the stock frame turbo's don't do it for me. They have already proven that journal bearing stock framed turbos on kill mode make great power, but for how long and reliable??? That was a rhetorical question. nuff said.

The dyno is a great tool to tune. I agree that it should be consistent. That's why in the end I really don't give a rats az$ what power it puts down, but when you sit in the seat, you'd know. I have driven a few cars in my time, and I think my opinion might matter considering I have raced some of the most demanding tracks on this planet, but you don't see me bragging about it, nor do I care to. I do know what good power is. I have an idea of what good handling will do with the right type of power. Additionally, I'm very humbled to know what a great driver is harnessing both power and handling. It's irrelevant in the end though. How did the car do on the track, and was it able to race without fail... Isn't that what we all shoot for? It's a damn shame that we can't use this forum more as a tool to exchange knowledge and experience when it comes to personal opinions of one another.

And I forgot to mention to SPEC-OPS Motorsports, congratulations on your new shop. That's an outstanding accomplishment.

 

Good post!!!In the end it matters if your happy overall congrats on your new setup and car looks great enjoy your new beast..

 

Its not that feelings were hurt, it's just another example of someone speaking about something they obviously had no idea about especially considering the results were nowhere near comparable. But hey, Rappers hype to sell records, so why not pump the boys up to get them to spend the cash before having real results.

Yes, we are very fortunate to have a new shop as it wasn't expected to happen this early but we've been keeping really busy for this fall/winter since we opened. Thanks for your SINCERE congrats We wake up everyday knowing we've been busting our asses to earn everything we got. Makes you appreciate it alot more. Know what i'm talking about?

 

Exactly. That is what you said you were going to do right from the start and I was excited about it because I had been wishing somebody would do this with the 5857. I was also thinking, yeah, how many times has somebody announced a big deal project like this and then nothing ever happens. Well you came through and did it. Thanks, I appreciate it.

 

When a post is started that says Mike @ Force Fed... it's a little difficult to say you are doing this with their help. In reality it should say we are doing this in order to.......

In the end, you are finally happy with the car, it just sucks that it took your mod list and some different fuel to wake it up. At first glance that turbo seemed to be a nasty little street turbo, then the key was turned on and nothing comes out of it. I definitely was hoping for a lot more for the lesser modded crowd.

 

It was actually quite easy to say it. But I appreciate you taking the time to point out how I should say something. I'll take it into serious consideration next time.

The car does alright. I would say it's a bit better than "nothing coming out" after the key is turned, but hey, what do I know... My mod list is exactly that, mine. I have a specific vision in mind, so when I choose parts, they have current and future goals in mind. I took a chance with this turbo because I also felt it has potential. I don't think your description of how the car reacted is at all accurate. Do I think its the best thing out there???.. Umm no, but it fairs quite a bit better than other T3 turbos on the market.

The lesser modded crowd statement??? Not sure what you mean by that. That can be interpreted in a whole lotta ways...

 

Take it how i wrote it... the lesser modded crowd, meaning those that are not as modded as you are. You have every mod in the book, have spent a ton of money to do so, and have tastefully chosen what to use. Not everyone has that budget. So, please, dont assume that everything i say is with a negative purpose. About 90% of what you quoted was on the positive for you. The only thing that was anything to look at was the first portion, which you go out of your way to keep yourself separate on the boards, however, your co-worker makes sure to include you. It's confusing... I dont care either way, its just confusing.

As for the turbo, I think my opinion was pretty solid as you seem to agree by trying to make justifications for it. You turn the car on after install, throw it on the rollers and it isn't anything what was expected, it was disappointing at best. Was exactly what was not being looked for by anyone. You then took the testing farther and found where it was successful at which is a great thing, hats off to you for doing that... I think we all agree, that on pump, it doesn't perform particularly well which is all I was trying to say.

 

Like you said, you don't care. Confusing??? I don't see one other person stating they are confused. But just in case they are, I am affiliated with Force-Fed Performance, but I don't answer to anyone in FFP. I would love to be employed (co-worker) by them, but that would be something else all together.

Moving on... The less modded crowd question was not negative in any way. I thought it would be important to know what that meant. So, thank you.

I agree, I have spent some good dinero to mod as I wanted. It probably got a little carried away, but that's just me. With that said, some of those mods probably didn't help the outcome of this turbo at all. And the only real test would be to put on some choice OEM parts (intake mani, head, cams, turbinie hsg etc..) to see if there was any difference in spool characteristics, fuel and lower boost. I have no intentions of doing so, but if there was enough interest, I may consider it. In the end I hope this informs and helps anyone's decisions if they wanted to go this route.

 

I think that test has already been completed really... You guys have had 3 cars including yours with 5857s on the rollers there, and all 3 on pump gas didnt do very well at all considering what was boasted about the setup. 1 car, built motor, built head, pump gas, ported parts... nothing special. 2 car, stock motor, bolt ons, pump gas, did terrible. 3 car, yours, modded very heavily, pump gas = disappointment, E85 and really adding some boost gave solid results. At the end of the day, testing I'd say is complete for what seems to work well and what doesn't for this setup. I think you'd agree that this turbo without running 30+ or I'd even say 35 really, isn't going to produce desired results.