GSC S2 or Kelford 272's and u'll be happy.

 

Well I've tried to get a set of gsc s1/2 on the board for about 3 months and no luck. If anyone has some let me know.

 

What about the Red that you had sitting in your closet for so long before you got the Black?

 

OH YEA forgot about the brand new Fp Red i used to hold up my garage hrs splitter. Paperweight. I attempted to sell that new turbo for a stupid low price and was still getting lowballed bad

 

http://www.amsperformance.com/cart/G...mance.com.html

http://www.maperformance.com/gsc-pow...sc-6008s2.html

http://www.vr-speed.com/store/gsc-po...-8-p-2055.html

 

I have posted many dyno sheets that show they dont make power. This is not speculation. I have dyno sheets of one car in particular that was down 8whp to stock cam cars. I gave it everything it had and it made less.

I appreciate your best wishes, our shop has street cars running mid 130s on street tires(last weekend), street cars making over 790whp (earlier this month), but perhaps our definitions of interesting arent the same. This takes hard work and when you are working on customer cars (or any business) 12 hours a day, late is the only time for the internet. We have an 8 second race car to maintain and race (3 8.85s in a row this month), a 10.2 sec 16G race car to maintain and race (everytime it races including this month), turbocharged quads to maintain and race, life is busy so I am sorry if I choose midnight+ to do most of my posting.

Here is the dyno sheet again (BC272 to GSC S2)-



Notice that peak power boost is the same, yet power is down 34whp. Stock cam evos routinely make 335-340whp. This car mentioned was a full bolt on car. Look at this almost stock IX I did today, it has stock downpipe, cat, catback. The mods it does have are LICP and intake as well as boost controller-



Run 5 of course, then compare it to run 4 on the previous dyno sheet and you'll see it takes more boost to make the same power with the BC272s.

 

adcgn45,

I dont remember being contacted but let me make a call tomorrow and see what I can get for you. Do you want S1s or S2s or are you just after anything GSC at this time?

Aaron

 

Dude I'm no fanboy of ER. But they have done some prety nice builds. Nice power on the dyno. You can't also expect someone to work day and night on a customers cari mean that would be cool but the man is human and gots things to do. So I think that was pretty uncalled for.

 

I was responding to the BS in this post so no i dont think anything i said was uncalled for and again hope u the best ER.

Now everyone needs to re-read the first post. R BC272 any good. It doesnt say tell me what cams to get or recomend me something else. someone who has "we only choose GSC cams" in their footer isnt gonna have anything good to say about anything but GSC cams.

so to help the OP of this thread, BC 272's arent a bad choice they certainly arent junk and for the price you can get a pretty good setup. i got my 280s with valves and retainers for a little over 400 when they were first introduced a few years ago. so even at the price they r today i believe they r the best for the price. ppl can say they dont make more power then stock cams but unless u have a back to back dyno comparo on the same car u can keep ur bull **** to urself.

lets remember the point of these forums is to help ppl that have a direct question not branch off and try to get ppl to buy something else when they didnt ask for options.

 

AMS did a test where bc 280 gain pretty decent power than bc 272. AFter all brian crower were not too bad thou. bc280 price are pretty good too.

 

Correct but your also forgetting the point of the forum is to also help others make better more informed choices. What everybody is saying here is sure they cost 200 but for 125 or so more you can get used kelfords or s1 or s2, fp4prs etc and make way more useable power. So why cheap out not to mention the forum also has lots and lots of data to show the cams are not up to par with any other cam. I understand you want to defend your choice of cam in mortal kombat but anybody with a brain can do research on the BC cams and see they do make some power but for just alittle bit more money you can pick up a used set of any of the other cams i listed and make actual power.

 

i understand there r better cams out there now but he asked about bc cams. he didnt say "what cams should i get". is everyone a retarded salesman on this forum. if i posted a thread about if a buschur turbo kit was any good how many ppl would start posting about get an AMS kit instead its better because i have a dyno sheet. my point is stick to the topic.

 

Run 4 to run 8 is the same car owned by WAIRONWORKER, the only change was the cams. Weather conditions were the same, dynojet was used (obviously) in both dyno pulls, boost was the same, tuner was the same, the only change was the camshafts. The stock turbo car for reference was Buch.

There is a reason we choose GSC. We have tested other cams and the GSCs simply make more power in most builds. More power than Cosworth, more power than BC, more power than HKS, more power than alot of other profiles.

One thing that needs to be kept in mind is that the BCs in the AMS test were degreed. That is not something that everyone does nor is it something that most people are going to spend money on to do (that is cam gears and the dyno time to make them right). When you math it out that way just for parts the BCs are the same price or more than the GSCs and then take more time to tune properly. I outlined that when I talked about the 5 highest horsepower Stock turbo cars currently. Little Joe's car made number 4 with BCs. It also took twice as long to tune and many subsequent parts to make that power compared to a set of Comp 272s (Turbojunkie who got bumped to #5 after the FP compressor cover upgrade).

Data is not BS. Opinion is BS. I am not offering opinions, I offer data on what we have already tested and the results with proof. When I summarize data, quantify what it all means versus cost, that is called a result. What you call BS I call humor and since there were those that thought it was funny I think it wasnt too clouded in the post. Your jabs are neither deserved nor warranted. Wishing us the best and saying we dont do anything cool (out of both sides of your mouth) is also irrelevant to this thread.

If you want options other than GSC, the drop in list is pretty simple-

After S1s and S2s for smaller turbos I would choose-

FP4R
Comp 272
HKS280

After that for bigger turbos high power stuff (that I have tested)

JUN272
S3
FP5R
Custom grinds

The Buschur BR272 and BF272 look really good but are available only for the VIII as far as I am aware and havent had a chance to test in any event. I have been offered a set, but need to make sure I can test them in one car in particular and convince the owner to let me do the cam swap.

 

Lol aaron said they weren't good so obviously he answered your question and then went on to mention why GSC are a better choice.

No need to bash the man he has many more accomplishments then you do and has more knowledge regarding cams. Saying his shop hasn't done anything is totally off basis and either you don't recognize any of their great cars or you don't know what your talking about.

 

I think it has been stated before that some of the fastest Evos/DSMs around run BC cams. They aren't junk, just require a little more know-how to make power out of them than most of the "drop in and go" cams on the market. One of the local dudes here told me the same **** when I got my BC cams, "you probably made more power on the stock cams." Yet, I had to add fuel all across the power band in order to run them and my car felt WAY quicker. Wish I would have had a dyno comparison because I could use that right now. If my car didn't feel any different after installing them then yah, I'd be on the other side of the fence saying BC cams are a waste of money.

Sales gimmicks, Kelford fanboys, and crappy grinding aside.. I think the OP already said he is purchasing BC cams so the rest of this arguing is meaningless.

I think in all my research, cams are just about like clutches. There are people who live and breathe one brand, while there are people who swear up and down that same brand is worthless. Doesn't make either person right or wrong really, it's just their personal experience with the product. However, more often than not, on this forum it's purely word-of-mouth and just because some kid from Kentucky who has had an Evo for 6 months read on a forum that GSC cams make more power than HKS or whatever.. he suddenly thinks he knows what he's talking about.