bc 272 cams any good?
You didn't even have a damn EVO when these cams were released. Everyone was running HKS 272's back then these were showing the SAME power gains ON EVO VIII's as the HKS pieces for 200+ less so for me NO BRAINER30/30 gain was not smoke and mirrors Mr. Bandwagon Urrgghh
There was no time and time again then. No one here suggest buying the BC cams now that would be silly. But they will make power on an VIII so for the 200 I'll sell them for once I take them out I'm positive someone will but them
Now before you even go there bang for the buck junk. If you have that mentality why stop at these cams you should get the replica ebay manifolds down pipe exhaust and everything else that saves you a ton of money, hks blow off etc. But again as aaron stated dont be surprised when you put down subpar numbers and have issue with your ride and wonder why other cars with less mods are destroying you
. Also no bandwagon jumper here just plain Research its all public information i dont need a shop telling me what i can look up and confirm on my own 
agreed.
The popular cams that most use for the evo now were not available when most of us bought the BC's. Cams Like Piper, Revolver, Jun were on the higher end and big money.
Most of us being on stock frames and wanting that mid range cam. Compared the HKS 272's everyone was using and with the BC's making the same power on the VIII's for 200+ less. No Brainer and they did their job
I got them new for just under 300 and have been in my car for 70k now so no loss to me even if I sold them for 150.
With the new cam choices out I'm going with S2's once I do the timing components again here
Most of us being on stock frames and wanting that mid range cam. Compared the HKS 272's everyone was using and with the BC's making the same power on the VIII's for 200+ less. No Brainer and they did their job
I got them new for just under 300 and have been in my car for 70k now so no loss to me even if I sold them for 150.
With the new cam choices out I'm going with S2's once I do the timing components again here
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I'll respond to this. Sooo your saying because I did not own a evo back in 03-04 whatever i could not do any research on cams and see gains and losses as well as see defects etc. Thats a pretty stupid statement. Just because you dont own the car does not mean you cant do research and learn about the car and mods before you decide to get one. BC cams have been used on evos and on more then one test they have under preformed. Now do they make more then stock cams yup sure do. Never said they did not. But for all the cam selections on the market those do not come up on the radar unless your aiming for a mediocore build. Why would a person waste money even if its 200 dollars and pay a shop 250 or so for a cam install and tune just to get slight gains then deciede to buy another set of cams and repay all money to get the job done again when you can pick a set of cams thats showing great all around gains and stick with that. If your a fan of pay over and over then i understand. the smart customer will research any part he buys before he buys it unless he is ignorant to the fact. now back in the Day(as you say) there were not that many test yet so i understand then But this is NOW all information about the BC cams is out there for any customer to look up. The question is are bc cams good. they are ok cams not close to worth the money when there are clearly better cams on the market making these cams inferior. the question is not back in the day were BC cams good.
Now before you even go there bang for the buck junk. If you have that mentality why stop at these cams you should get the replica ebay manifolds down pipe exhaust and everything else that saves you a ton of money, hks blow off etc. But again as aaron stated dont be surprised when you put down subpar numbers and have issue with your ride and wonder why other cars with less mods are destroying you. Also no bandwagon jumper here just plain Research its all public information i dont need a shop telling me what i can look up and confirm on my own
agreed.
Now before you even go there bang for the buck junk. If you have that mentality why stop at these cams you should get the replica ebay manifolds down pipe exhaust and everything else that saves you a ton of money, hks blow off etc. But again as aaron stated dont be surprised when you put down subpar numbers and have issue with your ride and wonder why other cars with less mods are destroying you
. Also no bandwagon jumper here just plain Research its all public information i dont need a shop telling me what i can look up and confirm on my own agreed.
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The popular cams that most use for the evo now were not available when most of us bought the BC's. Cams Like Piper, Revolver, Jun were on the higher end and big money.
Most of us being on stock frames and wanting that mid range cam. Compared the HKS 272's everyone was using and with the BC's making the same power on the VIII's for 200+ less. No Brainer and they did their job
I got them new for just under 300 and have been in my car for 70k now so no loss to me even if I sold them for 150.
With the new cam choices out I'm going with S2's once I do the timing components again here
Most of us being on stock frames and wanting that mid range cam. Compared the HKS 272's everyone was using and with the BC's making the same power on the VIII's for 200+ less. No Brainer and they did their job
I got them new for just under 300 and have been in my car for 70k now so no loss to me even if I sold them for 150.
With the new cam choices out I'm going with S2's once I do the timing components again here
Technology improved all the time
well i personally wouldnt be paying a shop to do the install so i dont really care if i have to do it twice .its a fun job and an easy one.
the truth is for 200 you may get some moderate gains and for 500 youll get bigger gains so really it is bang for buck.plus you get first hand experience which there is no substitute for
i mean if you actually sit here and listen to everyone about everything youll have a bone stock evo because someone will bash everything.
maybe there tuine sucked,maybe it wasnt a good combination with the parts they already had.
who knows.
but hey i got 200 to spend so if nobody has a set of gsc s2s for that then itll be hks or bc used cams. for now
the truth is for 200 you may get some moderate gains and for 500 youll get bigger gains so really it is bang for buck.plus you get first hand experience which there is no substitute for
i mean if you actually sit here and listen to everyone about everything youll have a bone stock evo because someone will bash everything.
maybe there tuine sucked,maybe it wasnt a good combination with the parts they already had.
who knows.
but hey i got 200 to spend so if nobody has a set of gsc s2s for that then itll be hks or bc used cams. for now
and speaking the ebay replica parts
actually some tests are out there proving that some of these will make the same or close to the same power as the overpriced label junky parts.
not saying that all parts with big brand names on them arent good but really how much do you think it costs someone to copy a 1500 turbo manifold and make it just as good? after all it is just piping.once they get the real one they dont have to do the research and development on these parts and material is cheap.
actually some tests are out there proving that some of these will make the same or close to the same power as the overpriced label junky parts.
not saying that all parts with big brand names on them arent good but really how much do you think it costs someone to copy a 1500 turbo manifold and make it just as good? after all it is just piping.once they get the real one they dont have to do the research and development on these parts and material is cheap.
also while everyone is arguing . i think the question really should be is 30 hp worth 200 buck and the answer is definitely yes.
after all youll sit there and get raped for nearly 300 to buy a stupid short piece of pipe with a filter stuck on it and be lucky as hell to get 10 hp from that .lol so how bad can it be to pay 200 and get 30?
after all youll sit there and get raped for nearly 300 to buy a stupid short piece of pipe with a filter stuck on it and be lucky as hell to get 10 hp from that .lol so how bad can it be to pay 200 and get 30?
also while everyone is arguing . i think the question really should be is 30 hp worth 200 buck and the answer is definitely yes.
after all youll sit there and get raped for nearly 300 to buy a stupid short piece of pipe with a filter stuck on it and be lucky as hell to get 10 hp from that .lol so how bad can it be to pay 200 and get 30?
after all youll sit there and get raped for nearly 300 to buy a stupid short piece of pipe with a filter stuck on it and be lucky as hell to get 10 hp from that .lol so how bad can it be to pay 200 and get 30?
. no excuse not to hold out and wait.
In know the both of us have saved a TON of cash buying through the used section. Just gotta be patient and know what your end goal is going to be, spending money twice does suck, I know i've deff benn guilty of that before. 
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Most of the agruments against this cam is based on: A dicto simpliciter ad dictum secundum quid, which is a deductive fallacy occurring in arguments based on a generalization when an exception to a rule of thumb is ignored. The fallacy occurs when one attempts to apply a general rule to an irrelevant situation. That rule being, that BC cams are no good.
This fallacy may occur when we confuse generalizations for categorical statements.
I think they are good. I have a set in my car, and it idles smooth and has great drivability. When I got them, they where half as much as most other cams on the market, and they make about half the horsepower at about half the cost.
They certainly aren't the best on the market, but that wasn't the topic of the thread...
This fallacy may occur when we confuse generalizations for categorical statements.
I think they are good. I have a set in my car, and it idles smooth and has great drivability. When I got them, they where half as much as most other cams on the market, and they make about half the horsepower at about half the cost.
They certainly aren't the best on the market, but that wasn't the topic of the thread...
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LOL im trying to avoid that haa. the only parts i have replaced more then once during this build is
3 water pump = i have 3 of them lol 2 used and 1 brand new
2 oil pump = 1 new and 1 used
3 Throttle Bodies = 1 coated and ported(needs rebuild), 1 oem, 1 sharkbite milspec 65mm
2 Headgasket = 1 for a 4g63, 1 for 87mm(4g64)
2 oil pan = 1 rusted pan 1 brand new
lol no more parts haaaa
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i have to disagree with u on this rockman, we are talking lots of money involved modifying car, not just a cam. There 's lowering springs, bov, intake, wheels, etc. The list goes on forever until u sold your car. So, nobody have the luxury like you buying all the high dollar item . Keep this in mind Rockman
BC CAMS. not is a 2.4 and lower springs worth the coin.
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So.. you don't trust stuff made in China.. yet you own a set of cheap chinese BC cams yourself? lol.
The guy that tuned my car has a 1G DSM running the BC280 cams on a 2.0L 35R like me.. stock head, stock intake, stock tb, dsm link, e85, and stock drivetrain with an ACT clutch. Fastest DSM in the area right now. He runs 10.5 @ 135-136mph pretty consistently and it takes him like half an hour to shift from 1st to 2nd because of the clutch trying to lock him out.. If he had a better tranny/clutch that car would be a 140mph DSM on basically stock everything but a 35R, some E85, and a set of BC280 cams.
Brian Crower cams are far from junk but just like a lot of things on this forum one shop claims "this part's the best!" or "this part is ****!" and the peanut gallery follows. Just look at all the FP Black, Kelford 272, 2.4L, stock ecu builds going on lol. You can't tell me any of these guys have ever tried anything outside of what someone else has told them to run. Doesn't matter if it's something as small as a blow-off valve.. you make a post about it on this forum and 80% of the responses are going to be RECIRCULATE ONLY everything else sucks! Eventhough the vast majority of them are only regurgitating what they've been told. You don't become the fastest by following the crowd..
On a stock evo with boltons would I choose the BC 272s again!? Definitely. They're very affordable, make good power, don't have an aggressive lift or ramp rate so it's easier on your valvetrain. They make good low end/mid range power just like what you want on a stock turbo car. It's not about what makes the most peak horsepower.. it's what will work for your goals with the car and your setup.
The guy that tuned my car has a 1G DSM running the BC280 cams on a 2.0L 35R like me.. stock head, stock intake, stock tb, dsm link, e85, and stock drivetrain with an ACT clutch. Fastest DSM in the area right now. He runs 10.5 @ 135-136mph pretty consistently and it takes him like half an hour to shift from 1st to 2nd because of the clutch trying to lock him out.. If he had a better tranny/clutch that car would be a 140mph DSM on basically stock everything but a 35R, some E85, and a set of BC280 cams.
Brian Crower cams are far from junk but just like a lot of things on this forum one shop claims "this part's the best!" or "this part is ****!" and the peanut gallery follows. Just look at all the FP Black, Kelford 272, 2.4L, stock ecu builds going on lol. You can't tell me any of these guys have ever tried anything outside of what someone else has told them to run. Doesn't matter if it's something as small as a blow-off valve.. you make a post about it on this forum and 80% of the responses are going to be RECIRCULATE ONLY everything else sucks! Eventhough the vast majority of them are only regurgitating what they've been told. You don't become the fastest by following the crowd..
On a stock evo with boltons would I choose the BC 272s again!? Definitely. They're very affordable, make good power, don't have an aggressive lift or ramp rate so it's easier on your valvetrain. They make good low end/mid range power just like what you want on a stock turbo car. It's not about what makes the most peak horsepower.. it's what will work for your goals with the car and your setup.
well said. theres always some who knew someone, who told someone, i currently have the GSC 1s and very satisified mid range and up top.