Don't use mobil 1, it will ruin your journal turbo
Sep 17, 2010, 11:37 AM
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One element that has a bearing on this is who changes the oil. It isn't practical for everyone to deal with oil changes on their own. Some live in areas where boutique oils are more easily accessible. In any case, I see no good reason to use anything less than a full, Grp IV synthetic.
If I had to make a list of considerations, these are my own recommendations for street driven EVOs, based upon where one buys the oil. ZDDP values in ppm (for those who are interested) are listed in parenthesis.
Oil Change Shop
Factory Engine
Mobil 1 HM (High Mileage) 10w-30, HM 10w-40 (1000, 1000)
'Built' Engine
Mobil 1 15w-50 (1200)
Local Retailer - DIY
Factory Engine
Mobil 1 HM 10w-30, HM 10w-40 (1000, 1000)
Castrol Euro Formula 0w-30 (?)
AMSOIL ATM 10w-30, AMO 10w-40 (1300, 1300)
'Built' Engine
Mobil 1 15w-50 (1200)
AMSOIL ARO 20w-50 (1300)
Mail Order - DIY
Factory Engine
AMSOIL ATM 10w-30, AMO 10w-40 (1300, 1300)
'Built' Engine
AMSOIL ARO 20w-50 (1300)
- 'Built engine' means aftermarket rotating assembly, stiff valvetain, omitted balance shafts, and assumes you're going to take it out and beat on it.
- AMSOIL not available from local retailers in all areas
- All oils listed above are Group IV synthetics.
- None of the oils listed above carry the eco-friendly API 'SM' classification.
- I advise against 'racing oils' for street engines, because street engines benefit from detergents. This is unimportant for frequently rebuilt racing engines.
- I advise using a premium oil filter wherever possible. Everyone spends so much time agonizing over oil and neglects the importance of filtration.
If I had to make a list of considerations, these are my own recommendations for street driven EVOs, based upon where one buys the oil. ZDDP values in ppm (for those who are interested) are listed in parenthesis.
Oil Change Shop
Factory Engine
Mobil 1 HM (High Mileage) 10w-30, HM 10w-40 (1000, 1000)
'Built' Engine
Mobil 1 15w-50 (1200)
Local Retailer - DIY
Factory Engine
Mobil 1 HM 10w-30, HM 10w-40 (1000, 1000)
Castrol Euro Formula 0w-30 (?)
AMSOIL ATM 10w-30, AMO 10w-40 (1300, 1300)
'Built' Engine
Mobil 1 15w-50 (1200)
AMSOIL ARO 20w-50 (1300)
Mail Order - DIY
Factory Engine
AMSOIL ATM 10w-30, AMO 10w-40 (1300, 1300)
'Built' Engine
AMSOIL ARO 20w-50 (1300)
- 'Built engine' means aftermarket rotating assembly, stiff valvetain, omitted balance shafts, and assumes you're going to take it out and beat on it.
- AMSOIL not available from local retailers in all areas
- All oils listed above are Group IV synthetics.
- None of the oils listed above carry the eco-friendly API 'SM' classification.
- I advise against 'racing oils' for street engines, because street engines benefit from detergents. This is unimportant for frequently rebuilt racing engines.
- I advise using a premium oil filter wherever possible. Everyone spends so much time agonizing over oil and neglects the importance of filtration.
We had some good conversation here last year.
This is my analysis (yes, low miles but it was in for 5 months. I drive it every day to work (short trips). It's about time for it to be changed again. I'll most likely get it analyzed again and can post here. This is on Dominator 10/30 that I run in warmer months then switch to SSO during the colder months. This is on a 400+whp Evo VIII
Just thought I would share.
Sep 17, 2010, 11:55 AM
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UPDATED - Now with part numbers
For better filter options, off-the-shelf and otherwise (efficiency in parenthesis):
Good
Fram Extra Guard PG73170 / Mobil 1 MO4612 (95%)
Better
Fram Tough Guard TG7317 / Mobil 1 Extended Performance M1-108 (99+%)
Purolator PureOne PL14610 (99+%)
AMSOIL EaO 46 / Wix 57092 / Napa Gold 7092 (99+%)
- Filters listed side-by-side appear to be the same filter, sold under different names.
- These filters fit a 2003 EVO VIII. Please check compatibility with your specific application to verify proper fitment.
For better filter options, off-the-shelf and otherwise (efficiency in parenthesis):
Good
Fram Extra Guard PG73170 / Mobil 1 MO4612 (95%)
Better
Fram Tough Guard TG7317 / Mobil 1 Extended Performance M1-108 (99+%)
Purolator PureOne PL14610 (99+%)
AMSOIL EaO 46 / Wix 57092 / Napa Gold 7092 (99+%)
- Filters listed side-by-side appear to be the same filter, sold under different names.
- These filters fit a 2003 EVO VIII. Please check compatibility with your specific application to verify proper fitment.
Last edited by Ted B; Oct 23, 2010 at 09:52 PM.
Sep 17, 2010, 12:29 PM
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I feel that has more to do with statistics than anything else, simply because conversely, more successful miles in EVOs have been logged using Mobil 1 than any other oil.
Nevertheless, for those Mobil 1 users who are beating hard on factory engines with lots of miles (we're in 2010 now), I'd consider going to M1 High Mileage 10w-40.
Nevertheless, for those Mobil 1 users who are beating hard on factory engines with lots of miles (we're in 2010 now), I'd consider going to M1 High Mileage 10w-40.
Sep 17, 2010, 12:32 PM
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I feel that has more to do with statistics than anything else, simply because conversely, more successful miles in EVOs have been logged using Mobil 1 than any other oil.
Nevertheless, for those Mobil 1 users who are beating hard on factory engines with lots of miles (we're in 2010 now), I'd consider going to M1 High Mileage 10w-40.
Nevertheless, for those Mobil 1 users who are beating hard on factory engines with lots of miles (we're in 2010 now), I'd consider going to M1 High Mileage 10w-40.
Sep 17, 2010, 05:09 PM
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I feel that has more to do with statistics than anything else, simply because conversely, more successful miles in EVOs have been logged using Mobil 1 than any other oil.
Nevertheless, for those Mobil 1 users who are beating hard on factory engines with lots of miles (we're in 2010 now), I'd consider going to M1 High Mileage 10w-40.
Nevertheless, for those Mobil 1 users who are beating hard on factory engines with lots of miles (we're in 2010 now), I'd consider going to M1 High Mileage 10w-40.
Check out the extensive features package of the 5w-40 in this link below:
http://www.mobil.com/USA-English/Lub...ruck_5W-40.asp
Check out the features package of the 10w-40 in this link below:
http://www.mobil.com/USA-English/Lub...leage_Oil.aspx
Sep 17, 2010, 05:29 PM
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The one thing that bothers me is this, "Mobil 1 Turbo Diesel Truck also meets the API SM specification for gasoline engines used in mixed fleets.
Does this mean it simply meets API SM, or it meets those guidelies for mixed fleets. It isn't clear, but API SM usually means reduced ZDDP, which contradicts at least one reason why you are considering this as an option in the first place.
Before jumping into that, I'd ask if that phosphorus is present as ZDDP, as I don't see "zinc" listed anywhere. You may very well be correct that it could be a viable option, but I don't want to make assumptions. I might also invite comment from Mobil as to its applicability to turbocharged 'off-road' severe duty use.
Sep 17, 2010, 05:44 PM
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I did.
The one thing that bothers me is this, "Mobil 1 Turbo Diesel Truck also meets the API SM specification for gasoline engines used in mixed fleets.
Does this mean it simply meets API SM, or it meets those guidelies for mixed fleets. It isn't clear, but API SM usually means reduced ZDDP, which contradicts at least one reason why you are considering this as an option in the first place.
Before jumping into that, I'd ask if that phosphorus is present as ZDDP, as I don't see "zinc" listed anywhere. You may very well be correct that it could be a viable option, but I don't want to make assumptions. I might also invite comment from Mobil as to its applicability to turbocharged 'off-road' severe duty use.
The one thing that bothers me is this, "Mobil 1 Turbo Diesel Truck also meets the API SM specification for gasoline engines used in mixed fleets.
Does this mean it simply meets API SM, or it meets those guidelies for mixed fleets. It isn't clear, but API SM usually means reduced ZDDP, which contradicts at least one reason why you are considering this as an option in the first place.
Before jumping into that, I'd ask if that phosphorus is present as ZDDP, as I don't see "zinc" listed anywhere. You may very well be correct that it could be a viable option, but I don't want to make assumptions. I might also invite comment from Mobil as to its applicability to turbocharged 'off-road' severe duty use.
Ted, this link below shows the zinc and Phos levels of both types we are discussing. Scroll to the bottom of the chart on page 1 and they're all right next to eachother. This oil is SL rated...check out the link below:
http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/...duct_Guide.pdf
As far as whether or not the 5w-40 is suitable for our engines, look at the features and read the info about it in this link below. Also in reading through the FAQs on mobil-1's site, people have asked these questions and mobil responded that the 5w-40 is rated for engines like ours...I'll dig up some of the responses and post them. Maybe you could give mobil a call, because you would be better suited to talk to them than myself as far as being knowledgeable is concerned.
http://www.mobil.com/USA-English/Lub...ruck_5W-40.asp
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Sep 18, 2010, 07:03 AM
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eh, I've been running Mobil 1 in my cars as long as I can remember with their filter on the 1991 Dodge Stealth TT at 550awhp with twin e16g turbos, it has 155,000 miles. My VR4, same deal but twin 15g turbos at 400awhp and 171,000 miles. No turbo failures. I'm going to stick with what's working for me.
Sep 18, 2010, 05:00 PM
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eh, I've been running Mobil 1 in my cars as long as I can remember with their filter on the 1991 Dodge Stealth TT at 550awhp with twin e16g turbos, it has 155,000 miles. My VR4, same deal but twin 15g turbos at 400awhp and 171,000 miles. No turbo failures. I'm going to stick with what's working for me.