So I know there is a trade off. I know you get get monster power with a sacrifice on spool or good spool with a sacrifice on power. I know with the introduction of the FP Black you can almost have the best of both worlds.

I'm looking at getting a built block so I'm not worried about TQ downlow what I am focused on is good streetable power.

What I mean by that is I don't want a car that can run 8's on slicks but on street tires I can barely run an 11 anything. I also don't want something that is going to kill me on a track/auto-X or mountain pass.

I currently have the HKS turbo and its spool is INSANE. Power is a little something to be desired so some mishaps happened recently and I've decided its built block time.

I know the 2.4's are all the rage but I know 2.1's are getting pretty popular. I can't find the Buschur post where he is singing the 2.1's praises (around the same time Shawna from STM's car got one installed).

I want something that rev's high, hits downlow and pulls like a freight train until 8-9k if I want it to. The price on both block configs is about the same (The 2.1 is 100 bux cheaper) so I'm price is negligible.

I have all the hardware for 700+......the only thing I have to get is bigger injectors (I currently have 1450's but I run E85 primarily) and the turbo.

The cheapest thing for me to do is get a FP Black and call it a day but if I can get a HTA86 or a BB 6262 to spool almost as quick then I would rather do that.

I surf these forums alot so I'm posting this as kind of a repository for topics specific to what i want.

Am i dreaming or can I have a relatively high horsepower car that I can still enjoy in various different automotive activities?

DB, Mike@AWD, Emery@STM, Bryan@GST and anyone else with experience in this let me know what you think.

Right now I'm leaning more towards a 2.1 LR with 10.5:1 compression on a tubular exhaust manifold with a FPBlack (This is the cheapest options for me). I'd rather do this once so if other turbo choices will get me what i want I don't mind spending an extra 1500 more for a decent HTA86/6262 set up.

 

Ηοw about a 11.0:1 c.r 2.2l ? (94mm - 4g63)

 

Don't see too many 2.2 motors around these parts who makes them so I can check the config out? I thought 11.0 comp. ratio was a little too high?

 

GSC 2.2L XR 1.7 or you can get the Manley rotating assembly.

I would keep the CR between 9.0 and 10.0 for E85.

Do you have a 4g64 block already ?

 

2.2 are expensive man. You can't beat a 2.4 man best of both worlds to be honest. For those bigger turboes you will spool them way faster. Your in the power band almost instantly. No need to rev high with a 2.4 you will make tons of power before 7800. Reving to higher then 8500 is pointless unless your dragging. if you must go there thats why the LR2.4 exsist for. The 2.4 is a better motor in all accounts and before somebody says it mike@awd ran 9.33 with 2.4 fpblack combination. So yes you can drag with them and show your *** on the street

 

A 2.2L is not expensive. The only part that isnt the same price as a l.r. 2.4L is the crank and you can get a new crank for $600 which is the same price as a new 2.4L crank.

 

DB had been gushing about the 2.1 recently (I think it was the 2.1) thats the only reason why I was heavily considering it. I think its what the Blak/Purple evo from STM has in it currently. 2.4L/LR Manley Turbo Tuffs/Wiseco HD 10.5/Manley Crank is the config I would go with if I go 2.4

 

if i didnt have a fp black id have a 6262 or something equiv. as far as the motor goes, im not really sure. the motor purchase should be determined by what turbo you decide to go with, because that is going to effect the spoolup charactoristics and powerband delivery.

I would probably do a 2.1L with a fp black just so i could rev it out high. if not a fp black then maybe a new EFR borg warner or something garrett bb that has the capability to flow around 75lb/min while still maintaining early spool and torque.

 

Who sells 2.2's?

 

I know gsc does or makes a complete kit also I know English Racing will build you one if you pay. Cosworth has there 2.2 as well

 

the guy who is building my motor now had a 2.2 alu rod motor he said it spooled/rev like a street bike but was alot of clearincing for him they are few and far on evom but a sweet motor the 2.4 is the newest band wagon dave said his fav motor so far is 2.3 shwana from stm car has a long rod2.0 in it. base your choice around what you plan to do with your car it sounds like a 2.4 with the black is what you would want.

 

What I want is the power to embarrass a C6 Z06 but still be able to take the car up to the mountains and have fun on the street without having to haul *** just to have fun.

If I'm basing it around turbo choice i guess FP Black for the cost savings. I like the 6262. I only rode in a journal bearing 6262 and it was fun. I would imagine the BB version would be even better. I've seen good things from the HTA86.

I guess my thing is if I can ge =t the same performance from a 6262/HTA86 with less boost but it performs close to a FP Black then I would go that direction for sure.

 

major difference in those turboes one will have monster spool up on will hold it longer the 2.4 will just aid in the spool department I say what kind of what are you looking for if you attempting to beat a z06 they are what 600 now at crank so a black will do it with the correct mods of course

 

How big of a difference is the spool between a FP Black and some of the more popular non stockframe variants.

If can achieve the same performance at less boost that would be more desirable, no?

 

sounds like you blew your stock block and looking at a 64 block as a cheaper alternative? Don't forget the extra expenses to make the 64 work. Going from what you wrote I would forget the 2.1. Extra capacity is good on the street, I would do the 2.4.