AEM BEWARE!!!, Tuners please look, AEM vs Motech vs Microtech
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From: nj
Originally posted by maxrotor
Maybe we can help diagnose the problem
No problen to diagnose, It is purley in the way Microtech handles the ignition compared to the other unit. It may not be the same for all other units but it was quite impressive. My facts were backed up by Jon at RX Engineering in Australia who had experienced the same thing in the past. Jon is a excellent tuner and I have years of tuning experience. I would not even brought that up if there was even a 2% chance of a variance.
Maybe we can help diagnose the problem
No problen to diagnose, It is purley in the way Microtech handles the ignition compared to the other unit. It may not be the same for all other units but it was quite impressive. My facts were backed up by Jon at RX Engineering in Australia who had experienced the same thing in the past. Jon is a excellent tuner and I have years of tuning experience. I would not even brought that up if there was even a 2% chance of a variance.
What do you mean by handling the igntion. If you inputed the same variables then how is it different? The signal is interpreted by the ecu on cylinder position. You tell it when to fire (in lamens terms here guys
). At xxx degrees BTDC it should. Then so on and so on. Maybe you were using some kind of a moon dyno? Or just didnt talk to it nicely that day or what . Come on man, i am not saying you dont know how to tune but to say you made another 42 HP because the igintion was "misunderstood" by the other unit doesnt make sense. If it was a piggyback or that the mapping was incorrectly done then the microtech unit was mapped differently for peak torque and HP numbers by mistake then OK. Just explain.This has nothing to do with the microtech. Dont get me wrong. It has to do with facts and defying the law of physics i guess
Originally posted by Pesto360
everyone is having the same problem with AEM
everyone is having the same problem with AEM
Mike W
Having used a Microtech myself, I did not find it handled ignition any differently than most of the ecu's I ahve tuned...except to say it required use of aftermarket coils (which some ecu's, such as the TECIII, include). Other than that, it did the timing the same as nearly every other ecu.....
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Moon Dyno, funny. I guess we are talking the same language but miss understanding each other. It was very clear to us that unit X as you say was unable to drive the stock ignition under pressure and experienced blow out, while the Microtech was able to handle the ignition with no blow out seing it used it's own internal ignitor and not the cars factory unit.. It seems to me that is what this whole thread started with, Ignition blowout..... And my Moon dyno is a Hub style that is manufactured by Rotortest.
Max
Max
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From: nj
Originally posted by maxrotor
Moon Dyno, funny. I guess we are talking the same language but miss understanding each other. It was very clear to us that unit X as you say was unable to drive the stock ignition under pressure and experienced blow out, while the Microtech was able to handle the ignition with no blow out seing it used it's own internal ignitor and not the cars factory unit.. It seems to me that is what this whole thread started with, Ignition blowout..... And my Moon dyno is a Hub style that is manufactured by Rotortest.
Max
Moon Dyno, funny. I guess we are talking the same language but miss understanding each other. It was very clear to us that unit X as you say was unable to drive the stock ignition under pressure and experienced blow out, while the Microtech was able to handle the ignition with no blow out seing it used it's own internal ignitor and not the cars factory unit.. It seems to me that is what this whole thread started with, Ignition blowout..... And my Moon dyno is a Hub style that is manufactured by Rotortest.
Max
So then the microtech driver seems to handle the higher boost pressure. The that is why you got the power increase?
HHMMM took that long to get it out of you.
Thanks MAX for being a good sport.
I can ring the customer this weekend and find out which model we were using.
As I said, if its a coil issue with the Evo (possible), then aftermarket coils are quite an easy and available solution.
As I said, if its a coil issue with the Evo (possible), then aftermarket coils are quite an easy and available solution.
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I will be interested to find out what the answer is. I talked with jon at RXEngineering and he did a EVO7 a few weeks ago with a upgraded turbo and a LT8 Microtech, They pushed 27PSI with no ignition problems using the factory coils.
Max
Max
Originally posted by maxrotor
I will be interested to find out what the answer is. I talked with jon at RXEngineering and he did a EVO7 a few weeks ago with a upgraded turbo and a LT8 Microtech, They pushed 27PSI with no ignition problems using the factory coils.
Max
I will be interested to find out what the answer is. I talked with jon at RXEngineering and he did a EVO7 a few weeks ago with a upgraded turbo and a LT8 Microtech, They pushed 27PSI with no ignition problems using the factory coils.
Max
Getting a set of aftermarket ign coils will fix the problem. Why do people want to make high triple digit power with single digit dollar bills. Every standalone has its positive and negative sides.
Wiring the Microtech - $600
Buying a ignition box for AEM - $400
So in the long run, it is all the same. Withthe AEM $400 for sure will fi xthe problem, even if you are boosting 45psi and making 1000=whp. With the Microtech, that $600 for install can change and go to a 4 digit bill easily.
Stick to PnP. If you guys have the money for a non PnP system, go Motec
Originally posted by maxrotor
If you read way,way,way back in the thread they did try aftermarket coils on johns car with no success. We are going to have to wait and see what the final solution is from AEM.
Max
If you read way,way,way back in the thread they did try aftermarket coils on johns car with no success. We are going to have to wait and see what the final solution is from AEM.
Max
George
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hi my name is Rolo Lopez,i,m the a microtech dealer with 3 years of experience doing instalation,tunning and racing with microtech,before microtech i use to deal with haltech,electromotive,accel dfi,s, and motec.Every stand alone system works,is just a matter of understanding,but there,s a couple of them harder to deal with,in microtech the main benefit we have are the way diagrams come for the vehicles,ignition control over any other system,easier setup (handset programer,dash logger or laptop) and price over anyone else,please if i could help you guys with any questions feel free to e-mail me at rolo@centralfloridaturbo.com thanks and happy holidays.
Originally posted by roloturbo
hi my name is Rolo Lopez,i,m the a microtech dealer with 3 years of experience doing instalation,tunning and racing with microtech,before microtech i use to deal with haltech,electromotive,accel dfi,s, and motec.Every stand alone system works,is just a matter of understanding,but there,s a couple of them harder to deal with,in microtech the main benefit we have are the way diagrams come for the vehicles,ignition control over any other system,easier setup (handset programer,dash logger or laptop) and price over anyone else,please if i could help you guys with any questions feel free to e-mail me at rolo@centralfloridaturbo.com thanks and happy holidays.
hi my name is Rolo Lopez,i,m the a microtech dealer with 3 years of experience doing instalation,tunning and racing with microtech,before microtech i use to deal with haltech,electromotive,accel dfi,s, and motec.Every stand alone system works,is just a matter of understanding,but there,s a couple of them harder to deal with,in microtech the main benefit we have are the way diagrams come for the vehicles,ignition control over any other system,easier setup (handset programer,dash logger or laptop) and price over anyone else,please if i could help you guys with any questions feel free to e-mail me at rolo@centralfloridaturbo.com thanks and happy holidays.
