AEM BEWARE!!!, Tuners please look, AEM vs Motech vs Microtech
Originally posted by DynoFlash
Both you and that Nick were on my ***** saying what an idiot I was only a few weeks ago and how great the AEM set up was - - - now your car is DOA and his car is running as slow as a stock evo with a giant tubro and stand alone - go figure man.
Both you and that Nick were on my ***** saying what an idiot I was only a few weeks ago and how great the AEM set up was - - - now your car is DOA and his car is running as slow as a stock evo with a giant tubro and stand alone - go figure man.
always claiming you are the best blah blah. kiss my ***. Anyways i still stand behind what i said, a stand alone is always better than stock ecu.
AEM ****ed up releasing this **** too soon....
And yea, we backed them up for the longest - okay so we are wrong. In theory it should and will be better way to go for a heavily modified car. Fact.
I THINK IM GOING TO SPEND THE EXTRA CASH AND BUY MYSELF A REAL STAND ALONE MANAGEMENT SYSTEM LIKE THE MICROTECH.
As for me running stock time... I would like to see a stock evo run 19" wheels with sull system do a pass like mine without ripping it out the hole.
Originally posted by DynoKing
Damn Al in a pissy mood today?
Damn Al in a pissy mood today?
I am just trying to show our brother Pesto which end is up so intsead of being a rich jerk blasting vendors and pointing the finger at everyone - - IN the future he'll understand that what is going down now is part of the game - when you go 2 or 3 times the stock hP output on a 2.0 L jap motor - things can and will break - its part of the game - - slap a new wheel in the turbo - get it running and move on
I only bring the old quotes up to remind him how he treated me when I had a few issues come up and I posted them here to share experience and help others - - he basically called me a moron with out a "plan"
Basically your "plan" don't mean **** unless you are Ferrari and ave millions to spend on R & D to test out your theories to see if the plan can work
Enjoy your car - deal with the few issues that come up and chalk it up to a learning process
Originally posted by Z1 Performance
I suppose becuase you work on this stuff all day long you've now seen it all then, eh?
This is EXACTLY why I don't bother posting in the tech forums....noone is after the actual reason or possible reason why something happened the way it did. Everyone seems more content to bury their head in the sand, or point the finger.
Saying there is no way that something could have gotten into the intake is not looking at all the possibilities. Again, what kind of filter was on there? What kind of intake pipe?
I suppose becuase you work on this stuff all day long you've now seen it all then, eh?
This is EXACTLY why I don't bother posting in the tech forums....noone is after the actual reason or possible reason why something happened the way it did. Everyone seems more content to bury their head in the sand, or point the finger.
Saying there is no way that something could have gotten into the intake is not looking at all the possibilities. Again, what kind of filter was on there? What kind of intake pipe?
Originally posted by designmanfx
Yea we were busting your ***** because of your stupid attitude.
always claiming you are the best blah blah. kiss my ***. Anyways i still stand behind what i said, a stand alone is always better than stock ecu.
AEM ****ed up releasing this **** too soon....
And yea, we backed them up for the longest - okay so we are wrong. In theory it should and will be better way to go for a heavily modified car. Fact.
I THINK IM GOING TO SPEND THE EXTRA CASH AND BUY MYSELF A REAL STAND ALONE MANAGEMENT SYSTEM LIKE THE MICROTECH.
As for me running stock time... I would like to see a stock evo run 19" wheels with sull system do a pass like mine without ripping it out the hole.
Yea we were busting your ***** because of your stupid attitude.
always claiming you are the best blah blah. kiss my ***. Anyways i still stand behind what i said, a stand alone is always better than stock ecu.
AEM ****ed up releasing this **** too soon....
And yea, we backed them up for the longest - okay so we are wrong. In theory it should and will be better way to go for a heavily modified car. Fact.
I THINK IM GOING TO SPEND THE EXTRA CASH AND BUY MYSELF A REAL STAND ALONE MANAGEMENT SYSTEM LIKE THE MICROTECH.
As for me running stock time... I would like to see a stock evo run 19" wheels with sull system do a pass like mine without ripping it out the hole.
At least your Evo is one bad looking ride!
Good luck with the microtech !
Personally I would suggest UTEC by Turbo XS - or my reflash - either way you can get a lot of power on the stock ecu and have it function without adverse issue or tuning nightmares
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al dont ruin this thread...there is alot of good information coming out of it...your plan was scatterbrianed and you know it...you kept building and tearign down ec etc..there is no metal in my motor its been checked the intercooler caught the parts...our plan wasnt ruined by the plan itself..it was ruined by a component that failed ( the turbo) and a part that we thought was complete but wasnt (aem)...how could anyone disagree with the setup I have? when you yourself have the same one after all of your trial and error...lets not turn this into a flame thread that will get cancelled...as far as Nicks car is concerned...his car was only running 18psi (less than stock), stock injectors ( i think) and a bigger turbo and it was never tuned on the dyno yet...its still at the basic stages of his "plan"...its also his first time at the track...but this still doesnt answer any of the issues at hand...how can a turbo suck up a bad wedl in an intercooler when it blows through the intercooler and doesnt suck it
Originally posted by MP5
Oh I understand looking at all the possibilities the lowest on my list is a hunk of weld with a bit of weight traveling through 4 feet of intercooling against gravity and across a headwind at the tune of 1.5 atmospheres. When I saw this I immediatly thought of the blades striking the housing or ill tempered fins or massive heat. Im sorry but my "common sense" didnt lead me to prioritize the majic intercooler weld theory into the top suspect. But hey your right you have the years of tuning which you can easily use to reference or hide behind in the case you kinda wrent thinking when you made the statement about the IC weld
Oh I understand looking at all the possibilities the lowest on my list is a hunk of weld with a bit of weight traveling through 4 feet of intercooling against gravity and across a headwind at the tune of 1.5 atmospheres. When I saw this I immediatly thought of the blades striking the housing or ill tempered fins or massive heat. Im sorry but my "common sense" didnt lead me to prioritize the majic intercooler weld theory into the top suspect. But hey your right you have the years of tuning which you can easily use to reference or hide behind in the case you kinda wrent thinking when you made the statement about the IC weld
he is not someone you need to **** off and he always posts good info on this site
Originally posted by Pesto360
al dont ruin this thread...there is alot of good information coming out of it...your plan was scatterbrianed and you know it...you kept building and tearign down ec etc..there is no metal in my motor its been checked the intercooler caught the parts...our plan wasnt ruined by the plan itself..it was ruined by a component that failed ( the turbo) and a part that we thought was complete but wasnt (aem)...how could anyone disagree with the setup I have? when you yourself have the same one after all of your trial and error...lets not turn this into a flame thread that will get cancelled...as far as Nicks car is concerned...his car was only running 18psi (less than stock), stock injectors ( i think) and a bigger turbo and it was never tuned on the dyno yet...its still at the basic stages of his "plan"...its also his first time at the track...but this still doesnt answer any of the issues at hand...how can a turbo suck up a bad wedl in an intercooler when it blows through the intercooler and doesnt suck it
al dont ruin this thread...there is alot of good information coming out of it...your plan was scatterbrianed and you know it...you kept building and tearign down ec etc..there is no metal in my motor its been checked the intercooler caught the parts...our plan wasnt ruined by the plan itself..it was ruined by a component that failed ( the turbo) and a part that we thought was complete but wasnt (aem)...how could anyone disagree with the setup I have? when you yourself have the same one after all of your trial and error...lets not turn this into a flame thread that will get cancelled...as far as Nicks car is concerned...his car was only running 18psi (less than stock), stock injectors ( i think) and a bigger turbo and it was never tuned on the dyno yet...its still at the basic stages of his "plan"...its also his first time at the track...but this still doesnt answer any of the issues at hand...how can a turbo suck up a bad wedl in an intercooler when it blows through the intercooler and doesnt suck it
Last edited by DynoFlash; Dec 24, 2003 at 09:21 AM.
Al's attitude is Al's attitude...you know what it is, you know what his posts will say before you even read em...get over it man
I have known Al for a LONG time now....he's always been the same, he ain't gonna change, and jibes just fuel his fire......if we all lightened up a tad, the board would be a far more enjoyable place. I agree sometimes he jabs a little deeper, but then again, we're not saving lives here.....all we are all doing is trying to make a good car even better.
"I THINK IM GOING TO SPEND THE EXTRA CASH AND BUY MYSELF A REAL STAND ALONE MANAGEMENT SYSTEM LIKE THE MICROTECH"
I don't know how else to say it - and I mean no disrespect at all, but that's about as ignorant as it comes man. As I have said, all the ecu's, no matter what brand, come with their own history....it's like picking a new girlfriend. You know you're gonna get baggage....its how well you both deal with it that makes it a success or a failure.
Pick your tuner first, your ecu second.......you won't go wrong.
I have known Al for a LONG time now....he's always been the same, he ain't gonna change, and jibes just fuel his fire......if we all lightened up a tad, the board would be a far more enjoyable place. I agree sometimes he jabs a little deeper, but then again, we're not saving lives here.....all we are all doing is trying to make a good car even better."I THINK IM GOING TO SPEND THE EXTRA CASH AND BUY MYSELF A REAL STAND ALONE MANAGEMENT SYSTEM LIKE THE MICROTECH"
I don't know how else to say it - and I mean no disrespect at all, but that's about as ignorant as it comes man. As I have said, all the ecu's, no matter what brand, come with their own history....it's like picking a new girlfriend. You know you're gonna get baggage....its how well you both deal with it that makes it a success or a failure.
Pick your tuner first, your ecu second.......you won't go wrong.
I love Adam and I love z1 bought stuff from them and enjoy his posts but lately he has been a little more angry than usual I dont know but I mean no disrespect to him and will continue to do business with him
[B]OK man - your right - you have the "plan" - - I have no plan
I like tearing apart my motor and rebuilding it - I like testing out 8 differnt cams and 3 differnt ecu set ups - its what I enjoy doing - I have no plan - its an education so I know what to do and which parts to recomend for my clients and so they wont have any issues after their car is finished
I experiement on MY car so its perfect when I sell it to others
As Dr. Phil said in his book - "you either get it . . . or you dont"
Sadly it seems you dont "get it" yet
Soon enough you will understand
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Z1, please clarify for us who dont know or understand how a bad weld in the intercooler can be sucked back into the turbo...even if there was a huge surge of air coming out of the engine ( if at all possible) or if there was so much pressure built up int he system that it pushed back...wouldnt the BOV let all that extra pressure out? and being that the turbo is spinning and pushing air out...how would it suck in the broken weld piece....I can underand a bad weld in the intake pipe...whcih is clean and no signs of anything missing from it...and the air filter is all there...
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Al...I actually dont disagree with you so why are you arguing? My plan was to get to the high hp without experimenting...yours was to experimnet and keep trying new things..I just didnt agree with your first approach...Im entitled to my opinions and so are you... issues were more with your poor attitude and gloating and bragging ...
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Z1, did u mean a weld in the intake originally and not the intercooler? if so we all make mistakes...its understandable...its christmas time we all have our minds on other things...
Yes I did......my bad.
Thats the thing about the net and the rapid replies...you can't tell if someone mistyped, nor can you tell people's genuine attitudes. MP5 - I meant no disrepect.....I can see how my post could have been construed as such.
Definately have HKS look at the turbo.......I would not put my hopes up that they would do anything, but it will be good to know what might have caused it....perhaps a clogged oil line caused the bearings to go and resulted in lots of play and contact, though from the pics, I did not recall seeing much scoring on the compressor side (though its damn near imposisble to tell in pics anyway, it would need to be in front of me).
Hopefully all is not list and you can rebuild the turbo inexpensively.
As for the engine mgmt side, you've definately got AEM's attention now - I would take FULL advantage, and try to work directly with them on getting it tuned properly. Several shops as well as individual's have tuned them pretty well so far, so its not impossible to do......just takes a bit of trial and errror, as any ecu will. Start slow at low boost levels, and work your way up
Thats the thing about the net and the rapid replies...you can't tell if someone mistyped, nor can you tell people's genuine attitudes. MP5 - I meant no disrepect.....I can see how my post could have been construed as such.
Definately have HKS look at the turbo.......I would not put my hopes up that they would do anything, but it will be good to know what might have caused it....perhaps a clogged oil line caused the bearings to go and resulted in lots of play and contact, though from the pics, I did not recall seeing much scoring on the compressor side (though its damn near imposisble to tell in pics anyway, it would need to be in front of me).
Hopefully all is not list and you can rebuild the turbo inexpensively.
As for the engine mgmt side, you've definately got AEM's attention now - I would take FULL advantage, and try to work directly with them on getting it tuned properly. Several shops as well as individual's have tuned them pretty well so far, so its not impossible to do......just takes a bit of trial and errror, as any ecu will. Start slow at low boost levels, and work your way up


