AEM BEWARE!!!, Tuners please look, AEM vs Motech vs Microtech
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Originally posted by Geovannie
John,
All standalones are going to have there good and bad things. Most of the more reputable ones will always give you their full support. You have to go with the one YOU OR YOUR TUNER FEEL MOST COMFORTABLE. What good is a xxx if your tuner is comfortable with yyy and swears by it? Here in Orlando Microtech is pretty big. Why? Because we have a great tuner here that can provide full support and is very knowledgeable with that stand alone.
If you don't have anybody down there than can help you out take the short trip up here and you will never regret it
John,
All standalones are going to have there good and bad things. Most of the more reputable ones will always give you their full support. You have to go with the one YOU OR YOUR TUNER FEEL MOST COMFORTABLE. What good is a xxx if your tuner is comfortable with yyy and swears by it? Here in Orlando Microtech is pretty big. Why? Because we have a great tuner here that can provide full support and is very knowledgeable with that stand alone.
If you don't have anybody down there than can help you out take the short trip up here and you will never regret it
Like I said, the only reason I would go Microtech is because of the local support I have for it and the cars I have personally seen with them here in Orlando. Probably 20+ cars here in Orlando, all installed and tuned by the same person. If locally the best tuner recommended Haltech and I saw that he had many customer cars here running well with them and not having any problems then I would go Haltech. If I lived in Chi-town I would go AEM and go to AMS and have my car tuned. Buschur and AEM are making HUGE power and are not having the problems others seem to be having. Or they are but have the solution to them. That is why you go with what your tuner feels most comfortable with and recommends.
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John, seriously stick it thru with Frank and he will take care of you.
If at that point you are not happy then take the path you may. But at this point you've been dealt in the game, might as well finish out the hand.
John, seriously stick it thru with Frank and he will take care of you.
If at that point you are not happy then take the path you may. But at this point you've been dealt in the game, might as well finish out the hand.
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Originally posted by Geovannie
Like I said, the only reason I would go Microtech is because of the local support I have for it and the cars I have personally seen with them here in Orlando. Probably 20+ cars here in Orlando, all installed and tuned by the same person. If locally the best tuner recommended Haltech and I saw that he had many customer cars here running well with them and not having any problems then I would go Haltech. If I lived in Chi-town I would go AEM and go to AMS and have my car tuned. Buschur and AEM are making HUGE power and are not having the problems others seem to be having. Or they are but have the solution to them. That is why you go with what your tuner feels most comfortable with and recommends.
Like I said, the only reason I would go Microtech is because of the local support I have for it and the cars I have personally seen with them here in Orlando. Probably 20+ cars here in Orlando, all installed and tuned by the same person. If locally the best tuner recommended Haltech and I saw that he had many customer cars here running well with them and not having any problems then I would go Haltech. If I lived in Chi-town I would go AEM and go to AMS and have my car tuned. Buschur and AEM are making HUGE power and are not having the problems others seem to be having. Or they are but have the solution to them. That is why you go with what your tuner feels most comfortable with and recommends.
The maybe if your dead set on getting the AEM just wait a couple weeks/months for others to get it resolved and then you can buy one when it is 100%. Or go with something else.
In all honestly most evo owners will never need a stand alone. Look at the power AL and AMS have made with factory ecu. AMS with just a AFC. That is amazing. However I will stick to my recommendation from above.
In all honestly most evo owners will never need a stand alone. Look at the power AL and AMS have made with factory ecu. AMS with just a AFC. That is amazing. However I will stick to my recommendation from above.
everyone is having the same problem with AEM
As for magically gaining 42 hp with jsut an ecu change and same settings makes 0 sense to me...and I have been tuning standalones for a long enough time to know what is possible and what is not. Using the same settings from one ecu to another makes NO sense whatsoever......when you tune a standalone you'll quickly find that 1 degree in timing change on brand x ecu is often not the same as it is on brand y ecu. Same goes for changing IPW.
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John, seriously stick it thru with Frank and he will take care of you.
If at that point you are not happy then take the path you may. But at this point you've been dealt in the game, might as well finish out the hand.
John, seriously stick it thru with Frank and he will take care of you.
If at that point you are not happy then take the path you may. But at this point you've been dealt in the game, might as well finish out the hand.
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But this is SO not true......some have had issues with it, others have not.
But this is SO not true......some have had issues with it, others have not.
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As for magically gaining 42 hp with jsut an ecu change and same settings makes 0 sense to me...and I have been tuning standalones for a long enough time to know what is possible and what is not. Using the same settings from one ecu to another makes NO sense whatsoever......when you tune a standalone you'll quickly find that 1 degree in timing change on brand x ecu is often not the same as it is on brand y ecu. Same goes for changing IPW.
Hrmm, Well actually there is nothing magical about it .. You obviously missed the point (or refuse to see it) that Microtech handles its ignition in a very different way, which will make quite a difference even with the same settings. Everybody knows that the same information can be processed differently by different units and depending on the wayit is processed can equal more or less horse power.
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Hrmm, Well actually there is nothing magical about it .. You obviously missed the point (or refuse to see it) that Microtech handles its ignition in a very different way, which will make quite a difference even with the same settings. Everybody knows that the same information can be processed differently by different units and depending on the wayit is processed can equal more or less horse power.
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Originally posted by Geovannie
I would just follow this advice. Same as I said before. Frank obviously has a good reputation that follows him nationally. I would talk to him and go with what he says. I'm sure even if it is not a PNP ecu he will do great work and it will look and run better than factory. At least that is my experience with it. Don't be so afraid of the non PNP units.
I would just follow this advice. Same as I said before. Frank obviously has a good reputation that follows him nationally. I would talk to him and go with what he says. I'm sure even if it is not a PNP ecu he will do great work and it will look and run better than factory. At least that is my experience with it. Don't be so afraid of the non PNP units.
( sorry just had to)Frank likes the AEM unit and is comfortable with it...but he assured me that no matter what choice i made he will make it work...this guy is that good
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Originally posted by Pesto360
No everyone has...unless AEM is sending out two different units...anyone who has pushed the envelope has had these issues...u go over certain RPMs certain boost u will have ignition problems...aem even admitted this...its a universal problem....the point Im trying to make...that with all variables on the tuner side being equal...lets say u have someone who is a master at each....which system is the best and best dollar for dollar? more importantly...WHY....I read all the info on each site and Ive been trying to learn like hell but I have no practical knowledge of this...but I would like to learn the specifics of what makes which better...I dont believe they are all equal and if so...microtech is definitely the choice they haveaall the cool add-ons and its much cheaper
No everyone has...unless AEM is sending out two different units...anyone who has pushed the envelope has had these issues...u go over certain RPMs certain boost u will have ignition problems...aem even admitted this...its a universal problem....the point Im trying to make...that with all variables on the tuner side being equal...lets say u have someone who is a master at each....which system is the best and best dollar for dollar? more importantly...WHY....I read all the info on each site and Ive been trying to learn like hell but I have no practical knowledge of this...but I would like to learn the specifics of what makes which better...I dont believe they are all equal and if so...microtech is definitely the choice they haveaall the cool add-ons and its much cheaper
IF the AEM is having igniiton driver issues at 20+ psi then i will be thankful that it is the ONLY issue at this point. NOTICE, they have NO issues at all when going to a seperat ignition module like the CDI. BUT that doesnt mean that the new units will not cure this. We have already gone thru the why's and how to's on this.
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Pesto, we havent had any problems, AMS had no problems. As a matter of fact we have the third AEM to come out since the fix. We will make sure we have no issues this week.
IF the AEM is having igniiton driver issues at 20+ psi then i will be thankful that it is the ONLY issue at this point. NOTICE, they have NO issues at all when going to a seperat ignition module like the CDI. BUT that doesnt mean that the new units will not cure this. We have already gone thru the why's and how to's on this.
Pesto, we havent had any problems, AMS had no problems. As a matter of fact we have the third AEM to come out since the fix. We will make sure we have no issues this week.
IF the AEM is having igniiton driver issues at 20+ psi then i will be thankful that it is the ONLY issue at this point. NOTICE, they have NO issues at all when going to a seperat ignition module like the CDI. BUT that doesnt mean that the new units will not cure this. We have already gone thru the why's and how to's on this.
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As for magically gaining 42 hp with jsut an ecu change and same settings makes 0 sense to me...and I have been tuning standalones for a long enough time to know what is possible and what is not. Using the same settings from one ecu to another makes NO sense whatsoever......when you tune a standalone you'll quickly find that 1 degree in timing change on brand x ecu is often not the same as it is on brand y ecu. Same goes for changing IPW.
Hrmm, Well actually there is nothing magical about it .. You obviously missed the point (or refuse to see it) that Microtech handles its ignition in a very different way, which will make quite a difference even with the same settings. Everybody knows that the same information can be processed differently by different units and depending on the wayit is processed can equal more or less horse power.
MAx
As for magically gaining 42 hp with jsut an ecu change and same settings makes 0 sense to me...and I have been tuning standalones for a long enough time to know what is possible and what is not. Using the same settings from one ecu to another makes NO sense whatsoever......when you tune a standalone you'll quickly find that 1 degree in timing change on brand x ecu is often not the same as it is on brand y ecu. Same goes for changing IPW.
Hrmm, Well actually there is nothing magical about it .. You obviously missed the point (or refuse to see it) that Microtech handles its ignition in a very different way, which will make quite a difference even with the same settings. Everybody knows that the same information can be processed differently by different units and depending on the wayit is processed can equal more or less horse power.
MAx
Each value inputed may seem the same on the screen but the output may be drastically different. Duty cycle, airtemp, boost pressure, baro reading, ambient temps, BSFC, EGT's, overall A/F ratios. Can you post some info. Maybe we can help diagnose the problem
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Maybe we can help diagnose the problem
No problen to diagnose, It is purley in the way Microtech handles the ignition compared to the other unit. It may not be the same for all other units but it was quite impressive. My facts were backed up by Jon at RX Engineering in Australia who had experienced the same thing in the past. Jon is a excellent tuner and I have years of tuning experience. I would not even brought that up if there was even a 2% chance of a variance.
No problen to diagnose, It is purley in the way Microtech handles the ignition compared to the other unit. It may not be the same for all other units but it was quite impressive. My facts were backed up by Jon at RX Engineering in Australia who had experienced the same thing in the past. Jon is a excellent tuner and I have years of tuning experience. I would not even brought that up if there was even a 2% chance of a variance.