AEM BEWARE!!!, Tuners please look, AEM vs Motech vs Microtech
Originally posted by gt40
Al,
Drive out and as much as I hate your ***, I will help organize a major protest trauma for scc to haze them...
You are a backdoor bastard anyway but I got to call bs on scc... we will have to find a way to get you in if you come...
Al,
Drive out and as much as I hate your ***, I will help organize a major protest trauma for scc to haze them...
You are a backdoor bastard anyway but I got to call bs on scc... we will have to find a way to get you in if you come...
I find it funny when they won't invite the fastest evo 8 in the world
I find it funny hoe every article on Evo tuning has VISHNU parts
They want Voshnu to do good so they dont let and of the serious players get in the contest
So after all of the stand-alones you worked on and tested you ended up with a microtech? From the information Im finding on various forums and techs that Ive been speaking to ...those in the "know" choose microtech..it has sort of a cult following, but it seems this cult is all very knowledgeable and has had years of experience on all different systems...want to let us in on your little secret?
As I said, find someone you trust, who knows how to map standalone. Not someone who has done a few systems - someone who does the stuff all day long, day in and day out. There are plenty of places out there, and I am sure more than a few in Florida. Don't pay attention to whether its a Haltech, Microtech, Motec, Electromotive, PMS, SDS, AEM, or what have you. Find a tuner who knows what they are doing, and use what HE recommends you use......you'll be much happier in the long run, trust me.
Those "in the know" do not choose Microtech - Microtech is simply another option out there. Those "in the know" can literally tune whatever system you put in front of them - they might have their favorites as to what THEY prefer to work on, but that merely means they know their way around the software, and have come up against every possible issue using that system. We ahve done 1 Microtech system - I cannot say it was any better or worse than any other I have used. It's usage was not my choice, but rather my customers. After playing with it and learing how and why it does what it does, it worked just like every other system. I was merely realying a story we had related to its installation and tuning. My point was that EVERY ecu comes with a storym and EVERY one has things that work great, and things that need fanagling. This is exactly why your selection of tuner, rather than your selection of software, is more important.
I could give you my own personaly favorites, but it really will not offer you any useful information - unless you are driving to NY for us to install and tune said system in your car.
Originally posted by Z1 Performance
You did not read what I said at all - the Microtech is no better or worse than ANY other system out there. In fact, all the systems, especially for use on anything but a full on race car, are all pretty much exactly the same thing. Each has its own plusses and minusses, and what seperates them is not the marketing BS they feed you about all the extra features (like auto mapping, self learning, etc. etc......none of which EVER work as they are advertised). Your most important selection is your tuner....not the software they are tuning.
As I said, find someone you trust, who knows how to map standalone. Not someone who has done a few systems - someone who does the stuff all day long, day in and day out. There are plenty of places out there, and I am sure more than a few in Florida. Don't pay attention to whether its a Haltech, Microtech, Motec, Electromotive, PMS, SDS, AEM, or what have you. Find a tuner who knows what they are doing, and use what HE recommends you use......you'll be much happier in the long run, trust me.
Those "in the know" do not choose Microtech - Microtech is simply another option out there. Those "in the know" can literally tune whatever system you put in front of them - they might have their favorites as to what THEY prefer to work on, but that merely means they know their way around the software, and have come up against every possible issue using that system. We ahve done 1 Microtech system - I cannot say it was any better or worse than any other I have used. It's usage was not my choice, but rather my customers. After playing with it and learing how and why it does what it does, it worked just like every other system. I was merely realying a story we had related to its installation and tuning. My point was that EVERY ecu comes with a storym and EVERY one has things that work great, and things that need fanagling. This is exactly why your selection of tuner, rather than your selection of software, is more important.
I could give you my own personaly favorites, but it really will not offer you any useful information - unless you are driving to NY for us to install and tune said system in your car.
You did not read what I said at all - the Microtech is no better or worse than ANY other system out there. In fact, all the systems, especially for use on anything but a full on race car, are all pretty much exactly the same thing. Each has its own plusses and minusses, and what seperates them is not the marketing BS they feed you about all the extra features (like auto mapping, self learning, etc. etc......none of which EVER work as they are advertised). Your most important selection is your tuner....not the software they are tuning.
As I said, find someone you trust, who knows how to map standalone. Not someone who has done a few systems - someone who does the stuff all day long, day in and day out. There are plenty of places out there, and I am sure more than a few in Florida. Don't pay attention to whether its a Haltech, Microtech, Motec, Electromotive, PMS, SDS, AEM, or what have you. Find a tuner who knows what they are doing, and use what HE recommends you use......you'll be much happier in the long run, trust me.
Those "in the know" do not choose Microtech - Microtech is simply another option out there. Those "in the know" can literally tune whatever system you put in front of them - they might have their favorites as to what THEY prefer to work on, but that merely means they know their way around the software, and have come up against every possible issue using that system. We ahve done 1 Microtech system - I cannot say it was any better or worse than any other I have used. It's usage was not my choice, but rather my customers. After playing with it and learing how and why it does what it does, it worked just like every other system. I was merely realying a story we had related to its installation and tuning. My point was that EVERY ecu comes with a storym and EVERY one has things that work great, and things that need fanagling. This is exactly why your selection of tuner, rather than your selection of software, is more important.
I could give you my own personaly favorites, but it really will not offer you any useful information - unless you are driving to NY for us to install and tune said system in your car.
Adam - whats your take on his turbo wheel?????
My take is what anyone with any common sense would say - it sucked something in. There is no way that kind of damage was caused by anything else.
What kind of air filter was on the car (if any)? Have you taken the intercooler apart to see if there are broken welds (have seen it many times before)
What kind of air filter was on the car (if any)? Have you taken the intercooler apart to see if there are broken welds (have seen it many times before)
Originally posted by Z1 Performance
My take is what anyone with any common sense would say - it sucked something in. There is no way that kind of damage was caused by anything else.
What kind of air filter was on the car (if any)? Have you taken the intercooler apart to see if there are broken welds (have seen it many times before)
My take is what anyone with any common sense would say - it sucked something in. There is no way that kind of damage was caused by anything else.
What kind of air filter was on the car (if any)? Have you taken the intercooler apart to see if there are broken welds (have seen it many times before)
Your a smart guy Adam!
Happy holiday !
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Originally posted by Z1 Performance
My take is what anyone with any common sense would say - it sucked something in. There is no way that kind of damage was caused by anything else.
What kind of air filter was on the car (if any)? Have you taken the intercooler apart to see if there are broken welds (have seen it many times before)
My take is what anyone with any common sense would say - it sucked something in. There is no way that kind of damage was caused by anything else.
What kind of air filter was on the car (if any)? Have you taken the intercooler apart to see if there are broken welds (have seen it many times before)
What kind of air filter was on it?
Have you taken the turbo apart yet? Pics? tat would tell you if anything came loose.......
Is the nut still on the compressor wheel?
Have you taken the turbo apart yet? Pics? tat would tell you if anything came loose.......
Is the nut still on the compressor wheel?
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Originally posted by Z1 Performance
I'm not saying that's necessarily it...but it certainly is possible, and would not be the first time I have seen it.
I'm not saying that's necessarily it...but it certainly is possible, and would not be the first time I have seen it.
Originally posted by Pesto360
Z1 please excuse my ignorance...and in no means am I questioning your years of experience....I just dont see logically, how a blow through intercooler can suck in anything and send it into the turbo?..Im just asking so u can educate me and others who may also be perplexed...does it create a back draft?
Z1 please excuse my ignorance...and in no means am I questioning your years of experience....I just dont see logically, how a blow through intercooler can suck in anything and send it into the turbo?..Im just asking so u can educate me and others who may also be perplexed...does it create a back draft?
in amazement with some of the lack of pathway knowledge some tuners are saying
Originally posted by Pesto360
Z1 please excuse my ignorance...and in no means am I questioning your years of experience....I just dont see logically, how a blow through intercooler can suck in anything and send it into the turbo?..Im just asking so u can educate me and others who may also be perplexed...does it create a back draft?
Z1 please excuse my ignorance...and in no means am I questioning your years of experience....I just dont see logically, how a blow through intercooler can suck in anything and send it into the turbo?..Im just asking so u can educate me and others who may also be perplexed...does it create a back draft?
Originally posted by Pesto360
I personally think it got loose chipped some pieces and then rattled around....there was an air filter on the car at all times...how would the intercooler be able to suck anthing in? the intercooler comes after the turbo
I personally think it got loose chipped some pieces and then rattled around....there was an air filter on the car at all times...how would the intercooler be able to suck anthing in? the intercooler comes after the turbo
Remember when you were making fun of me when I was dealing with a few small issues on my car - eg when my valve guide tip broke off or when I wanted to change my pistons - etc ? You attacked me by saying I didn't have a "plan"
I told you back then there is no such thing as having a "plan" in this game
You learn from your mistakes and you make it better next time
If you just want to drive it and no have any issues - stick with a slow Ferrari or BMW
IF you want serious power and speed out of a 2.0 L 4g63 - then you are going to have a few bumps along the way till you perfect the soup - - which is what I am working hard to do
Both you and that Nick were on my ***** saying what an idiot I was only a few weeks ago and how great the AEM set up was - - - now your car is DOA and his car is running as slow as a stock evo with a giant tubro and stand alone - go figure man.
I wish you the best of luck on this project and hope you have the determination to keep going forward and not give up becuase of a few silly problems - - - next time you will be more understanding when you hear of some other guy pushing the envelope who is having a few problems along the way - its part of the deal
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the other thing is....thats on the intake side..where it sucks in the air fron the air filter (which was on the car, I was there and nothing could possible have been in the intake tract) and it wasnt on the side where it blows it into the intercooler...I though you would know that by looking at the pictures..even i knew that and Im just a novice...who only knows what I read about these turbo cars...Im not flaming...i would just like input from some knowledgeable sources..I value your opinion


