Buschur Flashed........WOW.
Shiv, Would you say not utilizing Fan's or moisture sprayers (hand-held) decreases the numbers that a dyno outputs? Shouldn't this heatsoak also effect upper RPM numbers in the powerband?
Quit making excuses.
Put up or shut up.
Why don't you guy's put up a Dyno Challenge. Winner get's $1000 dollars donated to the charity of their choice. Others can donate to the cause. I'll donate $100.
Do the test at a Neutral location using the same dyno...
Budget @ $6K
All parts must be production pieces.
Exhaust
Downpipe
Test-Pipe
Intercooler
Intercooler Piping
Intake
Air-Filter
Boost set at 21Psi MBC (Identical unit on both vehicles)
HKS 272 Cams on both cars
Walbro 255 Fuel Pump
Fuel Management of your choice
A/F Cannot exceed 12.0:1
Fuel tanks must be drained and identical fuel utilized. 93 Octane (Not 91 or 94).
Since Mitsubishi recommends this fuel.
Quit making excuses.
Put up or shut up.
Why don't you guy's put up a Dyno Challenge. Winner get's $1000 dollars donated to the charity of their choice. Others can donate to the cause. I'll donate $100.
Do the test at a Neutral location using the same dyno...
Budget @ $6K
All parts must be production pieces.
Exhaust
Downpipe
Test-Pipe
Intercooler
Intercooler Piping
Intake
Air-Filter
Boost set at 21Psi MBC (Identical unit on both vehicles)
HKS 272 Cams on both cars
Walbro 255 Fuel Pump
Fuel Management of your choice
A/F Cannot exceed 12.0:1
Fuel tanks must be drained and identical fuel utilized. 93 Octane (Not 91 or 94).
Since Mitsubishi recommends this fuel.
Last edited by metaphysical; Jan 18, 2004 at 06:46 PM.
Ok.. Lets but the difference of the dynos aside:
My Buschur/DynoFlash setup has gotten me 11.8@119mph
Buschur's car went 11.6@117...
So now tell me what will happen at the track when Dave brings his shop evo there with a setup Almost exactly similar to my Evo(my car has the HKS RS Intake and no upper I/C pipe) with his improved BuschurFlash tune which is definately a better tune currently in my car??
My Buschur/DynoFlash setup has gotten me 11.8@119mph
Buschur's car went 11.6@117...
So now tell me what will happen at the track when Dave brings his shop evo there with a setup Almost exactly similar to my Evo(my car has the HKS RS Intake and no upper I/C pipe) with his improved BuschurFlash tune which is definately a better tune currently in my car??
Originally posted by shiv@vishnu
Different types of dynos (especially when comparing an intertial dyno to a load bearing dyno) present different loading charactertics. As such, they will induce different shaped graphs with different areas under the curves. I can cite concrete examples (with graphs) if necessary.
my 2c,
shiv
Different types of dynos (especially when comparing an intertial dyno to a load bearing dyno) present different loading charactertics. As such, they will induce different shaped graphs with different areas under the curves. I can cite concrete examples (with graphs) if necessary.
my 2c,
shiv
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Guys,
I'm not trying to stir up hostility here. I'm just trying to state facts and let people come to their own conclusions with regards to dyno readings which seems to be the major topic in this thread. I don't want to get into a pi##ing match with Dave or anyone else. If some of you guy interpret my comments as flame fodder, I apologize and I'll try to be even more innoccuous next time.
Regards,
shiv
I'm not trying to stir up hostility here. I'm just trying to state facts and let people come to their own conclusions with regards to dyno readings which seems to be the major topic in this thread. I don't want to get into a pi##ing match with Dave or anyone else. If some of you guy interpret my comments as flame fodder, I apologize and I'll try to be even more innoccuous next time.
Regards,
shiv
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Jesus Shiv
Jesus Christ Shiv,
You are THE most sniveling, whining, pompous, silly, shillfag around and the fact that you have the ***** to get on this board and still try this passive/aggressive attack **** at AL is hysterical. You're a childish and ridiculous. Promotion of your...we'll I guess we'll call it a product....should be just that. Promotion of YOUR product. You seem to think that promotion of your product should be to degrade every other product thereby leaving yours at the only choice. You must've done real well in marketing school. Get a life and quit the ****. If you can't sell your product on it's merits then maybe it's time to take a second look at the product itself huh? I find it hysterical that AL gets banned and you're still around talking smack. Who ****ed that one up?
You are THE most sniveling, whining, pompous, silly, shillfag around and the fact that you have the ***** to get on this board and still try this passive/aggressive attack **** at AL is hysterical. You're a childish and ridiculous. Promotion of your...we'll I guess we'll call it a product....should be just that. Promotion of YOUR product. You seem to think that promotion of your product should be to degrade every other product thereby leaving yours at the only choice. You must've done real well in marketing school. Get a life and quit the ****. If you can't sell your product on it's merits then maybe it's time to take a second look at the product itself huh? I find it hysterical that AL gets banned and you're still around talking smack. Who ****ed that one up?
Re: Jesus Shiv
Originally posted by TopWopII
Jesus Christ Shiv,
You are THE most sniveling, whining, pompous, silly, shillfag around and the fact that you have the ***** to get on this board and still try this passive/aggressive attack **** at AL is hysterical. You're a childish and ridiculous. Promotion of your...we'll I guess we'll call it a product....should be just that. Promotion of YOUR product. You seem to think that promotion of your product should be to degrade every other product thereby leaving yours at the only choice. You must've done real well in marketing school. Get a life and quit the ****. If you can't sell your product on it's merits then maybe it's time to take a second look at the product itself huh? I find it hysterical that AL gets banned and you're still around talking smack. Who ****ed that one up?
Jesus Christ Shiv,
You are THE most sniveling, whining, pompous, silly, shillfag around and the fact that you have the ***** to get on this board and still try this passive/aggressive attack **** at AL is hysterical. You're a childish and ridiculous. Promotion of your...we'll I guess we'll call it a product....should be just that. Promotion of YOUR product. You seem to think that promotion of your product should be to degrade every other product thereby leaving yours at the only choice. You must've done real well in marketing school. Get a life and quit the ****. If you can't sell your product on it's merits then maybe it's time to take a second look at the product itself huh? I find it hysterical that AL gets banned and you're still around talking smack. Who ****ed that one up?
People are wisening up here to the options with the release of the UTEC and reflashing solutions to the Vishnu problem of poor customer service.
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Since a couple people back on page 1,543,642 said Newbies, this would apply to me, since I have just got my car in December and never owned a DSM before. I came to this site to learn of the different upgrades and things to do to my car to : 1. Make it faster and 2. Give me the best reliablity for my upgrades. After reading about 15 pages of something I saw that Buschur was now offering (Since I like his products and was going with him; not like anyone cares) I got all excited to read a post of babble. All complete and utter garbage of who's is bigger than who's. I am new to this community and could clearly see why other forums would be laughing at this sort of stupid childish BS. That's all this really is. Since I am new and don't know anyone (Except the MILLIONS of searches I ran about which products to buy for my car 
) I can tell you these are my views from this post. Dave is respected for tuning this engine for so long, and is a stand-up guy, as I can see because he didn't 'buy' into the BS and fight back with Shiv. Al has been accused of trying to promote his own products ( 
This one still gets me) but has clearly shown here in this thread that he is the 'bigger man' as he apologized for something he did not even start in the first place, I commend him for that. And Shiv is deceiptful and had a forum on his website that he only answers what he wants to and beats around the bush at the real questions at hand. I can see (Although my eyes are burning now and I have to throw out my contacts or maybe fix it up with a few beers 
after reading all this) who is who and "I am a scary judge of talent" <------ Notice the winky. Anyway, this is from my totally unbiased POV as I have not done anything to my car (Except drive it sideways on these crappy tires in the snow 
). I am still glad to be a part of this site and hope to see those graphs be posted up here tomorrow. 
) I can tell you these are my views from this post. Dave is respected for tuning this engine for so long, and is a stand-up guy, as I can see because he didn't 'buy' into the BS and fight back with Shiv. Al has been accused of trying to promote his own products ( This one still gets me) but has clearly shown here in this thread that he is the 'bigger man' as he apologized for something he did not even start in the first place, I commend him for that. And Shiv is deceiptful and had a forum on his website that he only answers what he wants to and beats around the bush at the real questions at hand. I can see (Although my eyes are burning now and I have to throw out my contacts or maybe fix it up with a few beers after reading all this) who is who and "I am a scary judge of talent" <------ Notice the winky. Anyway, this is from my totally unbiased POV as I have not done anything to my car (Except drive it sideways on these crappy tires in the snow ). I am still glad to be a part of this site and hope to see those graphs be posted up here tomorrow.
Hi Al someone want to check these IPs out?
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/se...earchid=417617
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/se...earchid=418014
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/se...earchid=417617
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/se...earchid=418014
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Hey guys, next time try attacking the logic. Not the person.
still trying to figure out what a "shillfag" is
shiv
still trying to figure out what a "shillfag" is
shiv
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I haven't read every post in this thread, but I've read enough to know that there's a lot of back and forth bashing in it and in other threads. I would rather not see this kind of bickering going on.
As a car enthusiast, all I care about is quality performance for my hard-earned dollar. All I'm going to say is that I hope Al and Buschur will still be offering their upgrades in the future, when I'll be in the market for them. I doubt I will be pursuing Vishnu's products.
As a car enthusiast, all I care about is quality performance for my hard-earned dollar. All I'm going to say is that I hope Al and Buschur will still be offering their upgrades in the future, when I'll be in the market for them. I doubt I will be pursuing Vishnu's products.
