Buschur Flashed........WOW.
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Originally posted by alex_alex
PLease. Mr. Buschur makes an obvious reference to a vendor that has recently posted dyno charts with power curves going downwards at the end, and just about everyone reading it except you realized that it was a reference to Vishnu.
When someone makes an obvious reference to another while still remaining civil about it, the party referred to by reference has every right to answer, and not have to put up with BS flaming like "******* you sure have a serious imagination!" This gives the party making reference to another the right to do so and precludes anyone from answering b/c despite the fact that the reference is obvious (well, to everyone except you apparently), the exact party was not identified.
PLease. Mr. Buschur makes an obvious reference to a vendor that has recently posted dyno charts with power curves going downwards at the end, and just about everyone reading it except you realized that it was a reference to Vishnu.
When someone makes an obvious reference to another while still remaining civil about it, the party referred to by reference has every right to answer, and not have to put up with BS flaming like "******* you sure have a serious imagination!" This gives the party making reference to another the right to do so and precludes anyone from answering b/c despite the fact that the reference is obvious (well, to everyone except you apparently), the exact party was not identified.
Anyway we look forward to the Buschur Flash in the coming months.
Re: Buschur Flashed........WOW.
Originally posted by davidbuschur
We then drained the tank of fuel to make sure we were on nothing but STRAIGHT 94 octane pump fuel. We put the stock fuel pump back in the car and swapped the stock injectors back in.
With the AFC back on we made 356 whp and 290 ft lbs of torque.
We then went to work with the flash. After more tuning we were able to make 346.4 whp and a huge gain in torque up to 329.3. This is a 39.3 ft lb gain in torque.
We then drained the tank of fuel to make sure we were on nothing but STRAIGHT 94 octane pump fuel. We put the stock fuel pump back in the car and swapped the stock injectors back in.
With the AFC back on we made 356 whp and 290 ft lbs of torque.
We then went to work with the flash. After more tuning we were able to make 346.4 whp and a huge gain in torque up to 329.3. This is a 39.3 ft lb gain in torque.
Also, are these pump gas reflashes going to be high boost friendly for the track and race gas?
Thanks.
You gusy seriously crack me up.
Bottom line is this....there are several different options for you wanting non-standalone based enginr management. No one means is necessarily better than another, just different paths to a common goal. Put all the other BS, which is all that it is, aside, and pick the setup that best meets your needs, or the tuner you most want to be your friend, whatever it is.
I personally think Dave was pretty diplomatic in his initial thread....noone competitior was mentioned by name.
Who cares if its a 2WD dyno or not, and frankly, who cares if its a Dynojet or not.....the GAINS are what is important, and if I read Dave's post correctly, that is precisely what he is touting. By gain, I am not talking an actual number, because frankly, thats not really an important factor. What is important is that a gain of nearly 30 lbs feet means something significant changed for the better......maybe its only "really" 20 lbs feet, or perhaps its 40 lbs feet...whatever the finite number ends up being, rest assured it was a significant gain, and I am sure the car feels much better for it.
Conversely if you tuned a car on a DD, and netted a gain of 30 lbs feet, the same would hold true....you have NO idea if you really gained 30 lbs feet, but you do know you gained a significant amount.
Good luck to everyone in their quest for power/reilability
Bottom line is this....there are several different options for you wanting non-standalone based enginr management. No one means is necessarily better than another, just different paths to a common goal. Put all the other BS, which is all that it is, aside, and pick the setup that best meets your needs, or the tuner you most want to be your friend, whatever it is.
I personally think Dave was pretty diplomatic in his initial thread....noone competitior was mentioned by name.
Who cares if its a 2WD dyno or not, and frankly, who cares if its a Dynojet or not.....the GAINS are what is important, and if I read Dave's post correctly, that is precisely what he is touting. By gain, I am not talking an actual number, because frankly, thats not really an important factor. What is important is that a gain of nearly 30 lbs feet means something significant changed for the better......maybe its only "really" 20 lbs feet, or perhaps its 40 lbs feet...whatever the finite number ends up being, rest assured it was a significant gain, and I am sure the car feels much better for it.
Conversely if you tuned a car on a DD, and netted a gain of 30 lbs feet, the same would hold true....you have NO idea if you really gained 30 lbs feet, but you do know you gained a significant amount.
Good luck to everyone in their quest for power/reilability
Last edited by Z1 Performance; Jan 17, 2004 at 07:46 AM.
Bravo Adam, well spoken. And I agree, the gains are the important factor.
But c'mon folks, at first it was amusing, but now you all sound like little whining children! I realize you're competitng for the ALMIGHTY DOLLAR and REPUTATION, but seriously... YOU'RE ON DIFFERENT SIDES OF THE COUNTRY!
I live in Michigan, do you think I'm going to go out to Cali to get my car tuned? Uh, no! I'm probably going to drive the hour and a half and go to Buschur. Same goes for folks in the west. It's like we got Biggie and Tupac of the Evo world here!
Enough is enough.
You know, you guys may just **** off and confuse enough people that they won't purchase parts and service from EITHER of you.
{rant off}
But c'mon folks, at first it was amusing, but now you all sound like little whining children! I realize you're competitng for the ALMIGHTY DOLLAR and REPUTATION, but seriously... YOU'RE ON DIFFERENT SIDES OF THE COUNTRY!
I live in Michigan, do you think I'm going to go out to Cali to get my car tuned? Uh, no! I'm probably going to drive the hour and a half and go to Buschur. Same goes for folks in the west. It's like we got Biggie and Tupac of the Evo world here!
Enough is enough.
You know, you guys may just **** off and confuse enough people that they won't purchase parts and service from EITHER of you.
{rant off}
well I'm happy I go flashed in the beginning cuz I knew it would be the next big thing. Anyway I would love to know this "magic" way to get the cams idling stock. Do I have to purchase the cams from Buscher from them to share this secert or will they just be nice guys and tell us??
Last edited by Hooptie157; Jan 17, 2004 at 10:43 AM.
Good im glad that the dynoflash and buschur have done this mod, that was the way I was going to next, and the #'s and David's input, made the choice easier.
So when you get the ECU flashed, do we have to change our AFC settings as well, I think I remember reading that I think you put all the curves @ 0.....
So when you get the ECU flashed, do we have to change our AFC settings as well, I think I remember reading that I think you put all the curves @ 0.....
Yep I have all my curves at 0. I'm thinking about selling the AFC w/ fields harness because its not doing anything right now. The only reason I could see using it is when I'm running race gas but thats it.
Originally posted by Z1 Performance
Who cares if its a 2WD dyno or not, and frankly, who cares if its a Dynojet or not.....the GAINS are what is important
Who cares if its a 2WD dyno or not, and frankly, who cares if its a Dynojet or not.....the GAINS are what is important
Re: Re: Buschur Flashed........WOW.
Originally posted by shiv@vishnu
Compare the results of a AWD car, converted to front wheel drive, tested on the most optimistic inertial dynamometer in the world, running on 94 octane to a AWD car tested on an AWD load bearing dyno on CA 91 octane? Come on Dave, did Al help you write this?
Cheers
shiv
PS. Dave, are you coming to CA next month for the shootout?
Compare the results of a AWD car, converted to front wheel drive, tested on the most optimistic inertial dynamometer in the world, running on 94 octane to a AWD car tested on an AWD load bearing dyno on CA 91 octane? Come on Dave, did Al help you write this?

Cheers
shiv
PS. Dave, are you coming to CA next month for the shootout?
Aren't you the one to pick appart some smoke and mirrors. Dave freely states what goes on with his products. Answers questions about them, and doesn't delete posts regarding them... Hmmm sounds the opposite of you? Me thinks so. If I were to ask Dave how something functions with his product I know for damn sure that he would answer me. I have purchased buschur products and I run them on my car. Tym and Dave are nothing but helpful to this industry. YOU on the other hand are evil and decietful. You delete any messages in your forum where we ask you how your product functions then berate you for not answering us. You use your reputation as a "tuner" (and I say that with the greatest laughable ease) to sell an over priced product that is an over glorified AFC.
So before you go bashing Dave, Tym, Al or ANYone associated with this or Buschur, how about you answer all of our origional questions about YOUR product
... oh hell, you can't delete this thread, uh oh...
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Originally posted by BADEVO
Hey if your gonna quote me show me where I used the word "*******"
Anyway we look forward to the Buschur Flash in the coming months.
Hey if your gonna quote me show me where I used the word "*******"
Anyway we look forward to the Buschur Flash in the coming months.
Good answer, i guess
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Like I said in the past, if Dave is the "GOD" of the 4g63 and has been doing this for 15 years why does he have big Al helping him with 8 months of ECU tuning? You would think Dave would have his own deal and not need Al if he is this "God" of Tuning and you know the ECU is the MOST critical part of the car.
Originally posted by v413nc3
Well well well, looky here. Shiv wandered into a forum he can't delete my posts in...
Aren't you the one to pick appart some smoke and mirrors. Dave freely states what goes on with his products. Answers questions about them, and doesn't delete posts regarding them... Hmmm sounds the opposite of you? Me thinks so. If I were to ask Dave how something functions with his product I know for damn sure that he would answer me. I have purchased buschur products and I run them on my car. Tym and Dave are nothing but helpful to this industry. YOU on the other hand are evil and decietful. You delete any messages in your forum where we ask you how your product functions then berate you for not answering us. You use your reputation as a "tuner" (and I say that with the greatest laughable ease) to sell an over priced product that is an over glorified AFC.
So before you go bashing Dave, Tym, Al or ANYone associated with this or Buschur, how about you answer all of our origional questions about YOUR product
... oh hell, you can't delete this thread, uh oh...
Well well well, looky here. Shiv wandered into a forum he can't delete my posts in...
Aren't you the one to pick appart some smoke and mirrors. Dave freely states what goes on with his products. Answers questions about them, and doesn't delete posts regarding them... Hmmm sounds the opposite of you? Me thinks so. If I were to ask Dave how something functions with his product I know for damn sure that he would answer me. I have purchased buschur products and I run them on my car. Tym and Dave are nothing but helpful to this industry. YOU on the other hand are evil and decietful. You delete any messages in your forum where we ask you how your product functions then berate you for not answering us. You use your reputation as a "tuner" (and I say that with the greatest laughable ease) to sell an over priced product that is an over glorified AFC.
So before you go bashing Dave, Tym, Al or ANYone associated with this or Buschur, how about you answer all of our origional questions about YOUR product
... oh hell, you can't delete this thread, uh oh...
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Originally posted by Ryanmcd3
Like I said in the past, if Dave is the "GOD" of the 4g63 and has been doing this for 15 years why does he have big Al helping him with 8 months of ECU tuning? You would think Dave would have his own deal and not need Al if he is this "God" of Tuning and you know the ECU is the MOST critical part of the car.
Like I said in the past, if Dave is the "GOD" of the 4g63 and has been doing this for 15 years why does he have big Al helping him with 8 months of ECU tuning? You would think Dave would have his own deal and not need Al if he is this "God" of Tuning and you know the ECU is the MOST critical part of the car.
If the base work is already done, why not buy into it?
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Originally posted by shiv@vishnu
Uh.. that was a joke in reference to all the defamatory comments in his post. Comments we usually see from Al. See the little winky? If it was interpreted as an attack, let me apologize right now before the cavalry arrives. Now let us get back to the thread.
Uh.. that was a joke in reference to all the defamatory comments in his post. Comments we usually see from Al. See the little winky? If it was interpreted as an attack, let me apologize right now before the cavalry arrives. Now let us get back to the thread.
Let me just say as a propective customer, having you (and the other participants) react like this is a huge turnoff for you getting any of my hard earned money.
If I never see you write another article for Sport Compact Car, it wouldn't be too soon, because you are also damaging their reputation as well as your own. Whether you care to acknowledge it or not people, like me, do associate your name with that magazine in addition to your role as company owner and spokesman. You do neither any good with your derogatory posts to such a large audience. Please just let it go and let your products and workmanship speak for themselves, take the high road...
To me all this dyno stuff is just numbers, some dyno's show higher then others and that is a fact, what I look for is who goes faster in the 1/4 mile and I don't mean the time but MPH, MPH is a good indication of a nice hp curve. I still think most of the tuners on this board are very close to each other as far as making power and I have to say I like them all.
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Originally posted by Ryanmcd3
Like I said in the past, if Dave is the "GOD" of the 4g63 and has been doing this for 15 years why does he have big Al helping him with 8 months of ECU tuning? You would think Dave would have his own deal and not need Al if he is this "God" of Tuning and you know the ECU is the MOST critical part of the car.
Like I said in the past, if Dave is the "GOD" of the 4g63 and has been doing this for 15 years why does he have big Al helping him with 8 months of ECU tuning? You would think Dave would have his own deal and not need Al if he is this "God" of Tuning and you know the ECU is the MOST critical part of the car.
1 - bad idle
2 - power curve falling down on top
3 - running morehp while keeping the trq gains
In any event - the results were perfect.
Anyone in life who strives to be good at what they do must collaberate with other experts in their field. Be it a engine tuner,doctor, or a pizza maker - you can always learn and get better. In this case - I was the one with open eyes and ears - I was the one getting the education and I was the one who picked up a few new tricks.
Trust me whenI tell you that when it comes to 4G63 tuning there is not much new ground for Buschur Racing - they have been at this for a while.
The sole goal they had in the reflash tuning project was to keep the trq gains I had realized with Dyno Flash and combine that with the whp they had already made with the Buchur SAFCsettings. They accomplished that - and at the same time verified that the reflasher can run the cam equiped stage 4 cars without a afc - AND solved the idle issues.
IMHO = the best set up is the Buschur Flash WITH a SAFC to fine tune it on your car and set up for race gas/street gas situations
Finally - please realize that Buschur offers several options for tuning its staged set ups
1 - Buschur SAFC settings
2 - Buschur Flash
3 - AEM with Buschur settings
I think this new offering is just a logical progression to offer the customers using the Buschur Staged set ups various options on tuning
The reflash is just a tool - like a hammer or screw driver - its what you do with it that seperates the boys from the men. In this case Dave and Tym have hit a grand slam in the world series - - when you see the dyno sheet it will all makes sense what I am raving about
BTW - before I went there and saw it with my own eyes I was also sceptical of the crazy whp numbers they have been making. After testing my own baselines dyno flashes on the same dyno - the Buschur dyno is dead accurate - the numbers are real. The extra power is becuase they know more about these cars and how to make the power.
For exapmple the Buschur exhaust always makes 10 - 15more whp that any other 3" set up I have tested
If you see how much power the Buschur fmic makes on other dynos - that will also open your eyes
Buschur parts are well made, work the best and are the least expensive - - - - after seeing them tune now I know the reason why - they know what they are doing
Last edited by Alfriedesq; Jan 17, 2004 at 12:16 PM.






