Since I ask enough timing questions I might as well answer one.

So, if you don't remember my really sweet threads (sarcasm) about timing a 4g64, I challenge you to educate yourself with the finest reading on EvoM (minus EvoLinda's Intro thread):

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ev...ctly-time.html
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ev...4g64-swap.html

However, I never really solved my issue, as all of my marks are worn off of my crank pulley and lower timing cover, so no one believed me.

So, 500 broken tools and one big broken heart later, I've come to my own damn consensus.

I placed my new, shiney AEM cam gears (with cool bolts) up agains my ugly ratty, unproven Fidanza gears and lined up the dowel pins. The AEM gears were two entire teeth ahead of the Fidanza gears, both zero'd out. However, I figured if my timing was actually off that much, my car wouldn't run or valves would be bending and making cool sounds and stuff.

So, I did what I didn't think to do before: I found where my #1 piston reached it's highest point (TDC, duh!?), and lined my inner cam gear marks up with my valve cover.

This was my result (I still have to fix the intake gear as I moved it earlier in the day when doing really cool stuff), but my +2 +2 configuration was spot on the entire time):




I bought these AEM gears for nothing besides to look cool. Oh well...BLING. Not really sure why I made this thread other than to prove that I'm not crazy, and to laugh at the fact that if I put the AEM gears on I'd have been even more confuddled.

 

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/10131626-post41.html

 

Haha I know!! I did this for the cam gear, dowel pin discussion, as my car was supposed to be off like 900 degrees or something like that.

 

agreed. people need to realize, its cam timing, not timing belt timing.

 

Exactly, exactly. I've learned many a fact through these discussions .

 

I placed my new, shiney AEM cam gears (with cool bolts) up agains my ugly ratty, unproven Fidanza gears and lined up the dowel pins. The AEM gears were two entire teeth ahead of the Fidanza gears, both zero'd out. However, I figured if my timing was actually off that much, my car wouldn't run or valves would be bending and making cool sounds and stuff.

your still confudled. why would you compare two aftermarket gears and then assume one is way off and the other not? cause both are off. your timing in the pics would be correct if there were no errors with the marks on aftermarket gears. but aftermarket gears are not market correctly. so the pictures with the fidanza you are either 3.5 off or 7.5 off depending on which dowel whole you are using.

and cam gears can be farther than two teeth off and still run. I have seen loose belts jump 4 teeth on exhast side and one on intake and still run. retarding cam = less piston/valve contact possible

 

I removed my HKS adjustable cam gears to go back to OEM. Put my mind at ease...

 

No no no, my point is simply that my timing was on with the Fidanzas, whether their dowel pin holes are off or not, so I'm not gonna touch a damn thing.