TRE built 5-speed with a Tilton and an Exedy triple.not sure what clutch they run now,but i know they have run both recently.

 

How long do you think the clutches in those cars last? I've had to rebuild the QM Twin in my car 3 times in 2 years of use. The input shaft of the shep built trans had to be replaced one of those times too. The whole point here is to run quick times more consistantly and not have to rebuild your clutch all the time. I personally have not got a 9-sec pass out of my car for a lack of seat time and it has way more than enough power to do it. I'm sure it will easily do it with this automagic setup, I'm just waiting for my number to come up to get one.

 

i'm aware as is most everyone here that the clutches wear out.you're are missing the point.

all i said was that there are plenty of fast EVO's on the 5-speed auto.there is no need for a dogbox at 700whp or 800whp or 900whp or whatever.

the guy above said,"at this power level,you need a dogox and a Tilton for $12,500." i disagreed with him,but if you agree that's fine.

what i said has nothing to do with auto trannys being more consistent and reliable or that clutches need to be rebuilt.i agree with that completely.

when these auto trannies are proven and get a little cheaper i may get one myself.i have no problem with an auto tranny.i have raced cars for years and i know they are quicker and more consistent.

 

STM has a Tilton Carbon clutch in the RS. That car weighs 1000lbs less than a std full weight evo so it is easier on drivetrain parts and they still use a $5k clutch. Even a tilton carbon and a Shep/Jacks/Buschur/TRE Ultimate ratio synchro trans costs more than an auto conversion.

Masonh, no disrespect here but I am curious, have you ever owned a high hp Mitsu before or is this your first build? I have been down this road before and have lived through the stripped gears and exploded driveline parts. If you read you will notice all the guys going hard for 1/4 mile times have had the same issues. It is a fact of life. Just because you dont hear about it doesnt mean it isnt happening.

 

kinda off topic, but you got a link to the gt500 you bought? stock?

 

Anyone who is trying to go fast or has gone into the mid-9s or quicker knows how hard it is on parts through the manual trans, especially in these cars. Experience is the best teacher in this matter.

 

I've been racing my EVO since I bought it new in 2006. It has been through a LOT of drivetrain parts. Parts I've broke:


- (4) 4th gears
- (1) 2nd gear
- (3) LSD center diffs
- (1) OEM tcase ring and pinion
- (1) Shep stage 2 tcase ring and pinion
- (1) Pass. rear axle

That is just a simple list as I know my trans has been rebuilt and gone though more times than I can remember. I've spent thousands on clutches (Exedy twin, Exedy triple, QM 8 leg's). It has been a very rough road trying to go 8's on a syncro based trans with my setup. I've been a stubourn bastard and keep at it though. It is sad to think I have easily spent close to 20k on drivetrain parts in this car.

I wish David all the luck in the world to make this thing work. I know it is going to and next time out I see 8's in his future. I am on the fence with putting an auto in my car. It sure would be nice to be able to go round for round and event after event and be consistant. Show me a syncro based trans that will do that...you won't be able to!

 

they had the Exedy triple before the tilton running huge power and great times too.

dude,i have no idea why you are harping on this.there are literally HUNDREDS of evo's making this power that run standard 5-speed transmission with QM or Exedy clutch.you made a ludicrous statement about needing a dogbox and now you are seriously going to try and say it's the truth?

tell you what,i'm done here and i'll let you be right.if you want to make 700whp you must buy a dogbox and a tilton,there is no other way!

 

Theres another way now.... CLutchless auto!

 

You have to read all the information presented to you. It says, BUSHWACKER and QUARTER MASTER.

 

Some guys are not reading what I am writing apparently.

MOST guys on here do not talk about the destruction they have, they save the shops they are working with the embarrassment. Most shops on here are not going to tell you what they break, hell read the forums. My MARKETING sucks because I tell you guys the damn truth. **** breaks, engines blow up, most passes aren't consistent etc. It's not that I am a retard it's that I AM ONE OF THE ONLY FEW WHO TELLS THE DAMN TRUTH. I am not going to bring up any names, you guys can figure out the marketing genius's on your own, you don't see these companies on the forums talking about failures of any type. They are MARKETING THEMSELVES TO BE THE BEST and are not going to tell you that parts are breaking, transmissions are shifting etc. The general public is stupid, I hate to say it. Some guys get that this stuff is not easy and parts break and when I talk about those things it's the same thing that anyone fast is experiencing. Then there is the group that thinks I am an idiot because these things aren't happening to so and so's shop. Take a wake up pill.

Our black car held the MPH record for over 4 years at 172.74 mph. You don't need a dyno sheet to tell you that it's a 1000 hp plus engine. AMS's quickest pass was an 8.42 at 168 mph and they posted a 1100+ whp dyno sheet for that run. We had 4 mph on that pass, figure it out for yourselves. That car had a Bushwhacker trans in it, built here, NO DOG BOX and a Tilton Clutch.

My EVO in 2008 made more low 9 second passes than probably any other EVO before or since then on one trans and the Tilton, we couldn't break the car then. Since then the power and torque accross the curve has gone up and now we can not get the car to shift but I also refuse to buy another $5,000 clutch.

This trans is my solution.

 

Amateurs work on it until it works, professionals work on it until it breaks....

 

i can see myself putting this in my evo once its finalized and bullet proof.. id much prefer auto shifting over manual anyday.

 

me too,finalized,bullet proof and a little cheaper

 

A warning to anyone thinking it will ever be cheaper, it will NEVER be cheaper. My first estimate was $7,000 per kit, it is now at $7500 and I've sold the first three kits. That price can not possibly stay at $7500, right now we are working with units we have been lucky enough to locate, which has been only 3. As soon as the actual casting project starts the cost of the kits are very likely to go UP by $2000-$2500 EACH kit.