Notices
Evo Engine / Turbo / Drivetrain Everything from engine management to the best clutch and flywheel.

New times with BR clutchless 4 speed

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Oct 4, 2012 | 04:05 PM
  #121  
wizzo 8's Avatar
Evolved Member
20 Year Member
Photogenic
Liked
Loved
iTrader: (35)
 
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 3,836
Likes: 14
From: Chicago suburbs
Wow I didnt think that was possible but I guess it is. Good news though.
Reply
Old Oct 5, 2012 | 08:56 AM
  #122  
David Buschur's Avatar
Thread Starter
Evolved Member
iTrader: (53)
 
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 14,622
Likes: 32
Raining today, no track....
Reply
Old Oct 5, 2012 | 10:33 AM
  #123  
R/TErnie's Avatar
Evolved Member
iTrader: (32)
 
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 5,380
Likes: 6
From: WAR EAGLE!
pics of broken parts please!
Reply
Old Oct 5, 2012 | 03:20 PM
  #124  
masonh's Avatar
Evolving Member
iTrader: (8)
 
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 445
Likes: 0
From: nashville
PLEASE show me ONE, just ONE air shifted dog box AWD EVO that is running fast and consistent. Before you go searching it doesn't exist.

really?how about this one?



it's actually faster.

or here's a 10 flat on street tires and wheels.

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ev...whp-video.html

here is another in the low 9's

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=kh1enoUFFiE


i'm not saying the dogbox is better or more consistent or anything.i was just saying at that price range i might go with it.

i am not sure why it is so upsetting.
Reply
Old Oct 5, 2012 | 04:00 PM
  #125  
batty200's Avatar
Evolved Member
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 2,203
Likes: 5
You are only 3days behind MrLith and it isn't documentary. You have no idea what's going on between races. Some people change motors between rounds at national events. By a video you wouldn't know but it happened. You can't be this silly to think a record breaking attempt is either reliable or consistent.
Reply
Old Oct 5, 2012 | 07:42 PM
  #126  
David Buschur's Avatar
Thread Starter
Evolved Member
iTrader: (53)
 
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 14,622
Likes: 32
Originally Posted by masonh
really?how about this one?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzJA-nflk1A


it's actually faster.

or here's a 10 flat on street tires and wheels.

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ev...whp-video.html

here is another in the low 9's

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=kh1enoUFFiE


i'm not saying the dogbox is better or more consistent or anything.i was just saying at that price range i might go with it.

i am not sure why it is so upsetting.
It's disapointing to me you spent time digging up more "unproof" of anything. Tell you what, PLEASE go and spent your money on that stuff. As a matter of fact, send me a message with your name so I can put you on the "do not sell to list" rather than the "waiting on" list.

You want to see consistent fast passes? Go back and find the video's of MY car, the Bad Bish running in 2008 and running 9.0's THAT was, to this day, the most consistent, unbreakable EVO I have seen. It also ran 9.72 at 145 on 93 octane pump gas, a record still untouched.

This trans is still better. Just stand by for a bit, I'll prove it.
Reply
Old Oct 5, 2012 | 08:08 PM
  #127  
Chu's Mom's Avatar
Evolving Member
iTrader: (6)
 
Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 239
Likes: 0
From: Lansdale, PA
U mad bro?
Reply
Old Oct 6, 2012 | 10:40 AM
  #128  
nvr2fst's Avatar
Newbie
iTrader: (5)
 
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 43
Likes: 0
From: Ashburn, VA
Anyone else getting annoyed with this thread getting cluttered with "special" people and their posts? The Thread is "New times with BR clutchless 4 speed" which David started to post results and progress of his new product for the ones interested in a transmission alternative. ANYONE who has actually drag raced with a big turbo automatic car understands the value of this option.

1. David, thanks for developing and keeping everyone posted. I am interested in going this route as soon as my build is done and dyno tuned on the 5 speed because I'm trying to break power records. (God know's auto cars dyno horribly, lol)

2. Reminder to all the "special" people, the Thread doesn't in any way indicate the "which transmission is better" topic. Start your own thread and stop f'ing this one up.
Reply
Old Oct 6, 2012 | 01:05 PM
  #129  
David Buschur's Avatar
Thread Starter
Evolved Member
iTrader: (53)
 
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 14,622
Likes: 32
About the other video posted, masonh, the 10.0 on street tires is far from impressive. At the Shootout this year, in full street trim at 30 psi of boost in my car, after making 3 autocross runs my car ran 9.9 on Star Specs, full street trim. Jeff Oswalt, last week on street tires, with A/C ran 9.5 at 158 mph in his EVO9 in Vegas, that's a 2 liter on a standard Bushwacker trans, human shifter, no ghosts.

Anyway, enough of all that crap. There are NO, NONE, ZERO consistent manually shifted EVO's running anywhere, that are in the low 9's or 8's.

Today I spent the morning at the shop, I have my car all back together, just need to get the timing belt side apart to see how it bent the valves, I'm guessing the key is sheared but that doesn't seem possible as the engine turns over with a ratchet, so we'll see. Should be running early Monday and Norwalk is having their last Friday this coming Friday, so we will try it again then.
Reply
Old Oct 6, 2012 | 02:24 PM
  #130  
Babylon6's Avatar
Newbie
 
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 11
Likes: 0
Following this with intense interest. Running an evo 7 GTA here in the UK using a w5A51, which is the "factory" option and it cannot hold the power. I exploded my transfer driven drive gear assembly a week or 2 ago after a little bit of wheel hop and it wasnt pretty.

If this box has had the right internals swapped or dealt with somehow, then auto launch will be intense.

David, are these on stock stall?

Last edited by Babylon6; Oct 6, 2012 at 02:31 PM.
Reply
Old Oct 6, 2012 | 06:11 PM
  #131  
n2oiroc's Avatar
Evolved Member
iTrader: (33)
 
Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 3,180
Likes: 5
From: milwaukee, wi
Originally Posted by David Buschur
About the other video posted, masonh, the 10.0 on street tires is far from impressive. At the Shootout this year, in full street trim at 30 psi of boost in my car, after making 3 autocross runs my car ran 9.9 on Star Specs, full street trim. Jeff Oswalt, last week on street tires, with A/C ran 9.5 at 158 mph in his EVO9 in Vegas, that's a 2 liter on a standard Bushwacker trans, human shifter, no ghosts.

Anyway, enough of all that crap. There are NO, NONE, ZERO consistent manually shifted EVO's running anywhere, that are in the low 9's or 8's.

Today I spent the morning at the shop, I have my car all back together, just need to get the timing belt side apart to see how it bent the valves, I'm guessing the key is sheared but that doesn't seem possible as the engine turns over with a ratchet, so we'll see. Should be running early Monday and Norwalk is having their last Friday this coming Friday, so we will try it again then.
9's on street tires. not drag radials, full tread stiff sidewall autocross tires. anyone that doesnt realize how bad *** that is should be banned from this forum.

Last edited by n2oiroc; Oct 7, 2012 at 08:13 AM.
Reply
Old Oct 7, 2012 | 07:03 AM
  #132  
David Buschur's Avatar
Thread Starter
Evolved Member
iTrader: (53)
 
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 14,622
Likes: 32
NITTO's SUCK, so you know, my Star Specs would spank the Nitto's, actually if you look at Jeff's 60' time of a 1.6x you will see that for yourself. Those tires he's running are also probably 5 years old. So I'll stick to what I said and also say again, my car at only 30 psi ran 9.90 on Star Specs.
Reply
Old Oct 7, 2012 | 08:53 AM
  #133  
Boltz.'s Avatar
Evolved Member
FCOTM Winner
iTrader: (42)
 
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 2,502
Likes: 0
From: St. Charles, IL
Originally Posted by David Buschur
PLEASE show me ONE, just ONE air shifted dog box AWD EVO that is running fast and consistent.
I think the disconnect for the guy that keeps posting videos from Nashville is that he isn't taking into consideration the launch, where the auto's consistency really shines. Sure, there are tons of reliable evo's that are fast and are manually shifted, but they aren't getting out of the hole consistently.

Very cool to see the progress here. Wishing you the best.

Quick question, from your experience thus far, how much MPH do you lose from converting to an auto?
Reply
Old Oct 7, 2012 | 09:40 AM
  #134  
JohnBradley's Avatar
Evolved Member
Shutterbug
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (30)
 
Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 11,406
Likes: 78
From: Northwest
Originally Posted by Boltz.
I think the disconnect for the guy that keeps posting videos from Nashville is that he isn't taking into consideration the launch, where the auto's consistency really shines. Sure, there are tons of reliable evo's that are fast and are manually shifted, but they aren't getting out of the hole consistently.

Very cool to see the progress here. Wishing you the best.

Quick question, from your experience thus far, how much MPH do you lose from converting to an auto?
Depends on the converter.

In the Eclipse/Talon auto setups a stock converter wont lose too much over a manual. Even a restall if not WAY crazy doesnt drop more than 5-6mph. Jeff dropped 8 when we went to the loose converter but has gained a fair amount back as we tighten it back up. The thing is one less shift and never dropping out of boost does a lot to make up for the other losses.

Aaron
Reply
Old Oct 8, 2012 | 06:07 AM
  #135  
David Buschur's Avatar
Thread Starter
Evolved Member
iTrader: (53)
 
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 14,622
Likes: 32
Originally Posted by Boltz.
Quick question, from your experience thus far, how much MPH do you lose from converting to an auto?
The first pass I made in the car was a 9.94 at 140 mph, that was at only 30 psi of boost. My best pass ever in the car previously was a 10.2 at 144 at about the same boost last year. (This is with me driving and I stink) That seems to be about 4 mph with a great improvement in ET.

At 43 psi of boost the best pass ever in the car has been 9.04 at 159.64. That ET hasn't been matched or beaten since 2008 but we've run quite a few other 158-159 mph runs since then. The best MPH so far is 146.73 and produced that 9.31. I'm going to guess looking at the logs and time slips the car at 43 psi is going to run at best, 152 mph BUT I think that will be enough to finally get a 8.9 out of the car. So to answer your question, I'm guessing a 7 mph loss from our best ever.

As soon as the season is over and I don't intend to call it over until we get an 8 out of the car or it snows, the plan is to take the car home take the engine wiring harness out of it again and start that project over. While I'm in there I have to wire the speedo back in and I'm going to put an RPM sensor on the driveshaft so I can actually measure converter slippage. This will give us a lot of data to get the converter dialed in further. We could gain some more MPH by getting the converter just as loose as we need it or even going back to a lock up at some point.
Reply



All times are GMT -7. The time now is 08:03 AM.