I have owned the WORKS p1 and p2. The p1 gave more gains on my car than the $200 Dynoflash did on a close friend's car. I believe that for mail in flashes for a stock vehicle, Works is the better flash, but you pay for it also. Is it worth the extra $200+ for another 10hp? Probably not, but I can also tell you that the reliablitly is 100% with works. Al is a drag king, so I am thinking, that is what he tunes for. WORKS tunes for road race/rallyx in extreme conditions. I don't know how good the other dynoflashes are, but the more mods you have the better the results will be. I think the gains are minimal for a stock car. If you really want the Dynoflash, I would just hold out and get the custom tune for the $450-$500. I don't think the gains are worth it for the mail in flash (for a stock vehicle). You are better off investing in an safc. I have no experience with the XFLASH, so can't comment on it, other than to say that again, you are probably better off going to a dyno day to get the custom tune to whatever mods you have. If you are stock and plan to stay stock, go with the WORKS.

 

Just so you know Robi, the Works guys purposely had put their boost really low since they were passing their car around like a cheap *****. They weren't 100% sure of all the different skill levels of all the people driving it, so they wanted to be safe.

 

I won't comment on the others, I have WORKS P2 and am very happy with the performance and customer satisfaction from WORKS for all their products I have on my car.

One thing I can tell you helped me make my decision is 1 vendor was not even considered due to the attitude that I have seen displayed by him on these boards. Even though his product may have been a front runner with me for cost and availability, I researched the other 2 and went with WORKS just because of my experience with their other products.

Look at what everybody is writing read all the past posts by these vendors then make your choice. If you are like me this car is very important, so don't rush in.

 

I have an AVO exhaust and downpipe and Shiv was able to Xflash my ECU with no problems.

 

Robert, you are funny. If Mike at RRE saw you claiming your car was faster than the others because of a Buschurflash he would prolly slap a knot. You don't think it might have something to do with your frickin' sweet JIC coilover custom tuned suspension? The other mod that apparently gave you the best times at thunderhill was the reflash of your brain to remove the notion of restraint! You definitely rocked out there! I look forward to meeting you.

 

Yeah I just pull out the chip and all restrain flies away...(some of my friends call me "Air fuller") after a road trip that is...and yes the JICs make a HUGE differance...but they don't completely explain my little 4 banger running down Vetts/TTsupras/etc. on the straights...there's something magical about coming up behind a "supercar" in my 4 door and after a few corners/straights they figure out I not going away and them pointing me around...hehehe...

 

doesnt UTEC come out this week?

 

Thoughts on a couple of points made:

It's software, not manufacturing. There is no direct relationship between changed parameters and price.


There a lot of truth to this statement. We aren't talking huge difference between the three. No one vendor has a history of a bad flash.

Price & Customer Service are both big factors. You need to pick a vendor that you feel like you can work with for the long term.

It's a zen thing. Look at yourself: look at the tuners: look back at yourself and you will know.

 

Dynoflash

 

Dynoflash

I don't have direct experience with the others, but Al's a first class tuner with the Dynoflash. He has far more experience with the EVO (well over 300 dynoflashed cars with 0 (zero) complaints) and a much longer (and excellent) track record of Dynoflash tuned customers than any of the others .......

Oh yeah, check out the price difference too.... You can get the Dynoflash and an intake (or more) for the same price or less than the others. Your $$$, your choice......

 

i'll be gettin a dyno flash through nino. also those looking for a boost controller, get a power enterprise one from nino. this boost contoller also comes with a boost gauge and reads in bar. very nice looking too

 

My Family is one of the TX first 300 and It is amazing we never adheared to the American (and especially Texan) quantity over quality. If you think months on a $200,000.00 dyno with specialty equipment and track testing arent behind those little and unimportant "software" additions then that zen nonsense really is an opiate for the progressives. Just like you can go down to circuit city today and pick up a Sony 100*6 reciever for $500 that works OK or spend $800 on a vintage 1960s Harmon Kardin 25* 2 tube amp that will smoke that sony in price and performance and above all Quality, Research, and design

Let me tell you this I have a dynoflash right here and the 8 parameters on a SAFC (If it had static timing) has more effect on CL conditions that this particular reflash.

Now this might seem harsh and I might have a negative past in this arena but I am stating facts! There is a lot of uninformed and misguided statements here that will be archived as truth- Its fine if you buy into them but I emplore you to heed this to at least research it yourself. Having said that the doctorine of some reflashes to tune a very small percentage of the primary map only is fine and is suficcient. It works (no not that works) but is not the recipie for consistancy or proper (textbook) EFI tuning.

FWIW this particular reflash is fine with the boost, fine with the fuel (nice and rich), but the timing is twisted farther than the bass knob in a rap video. This leads to cool EGTs (for those of you actually measuring) But high in cylinder pressures.

 

Mr. MP5 your running a Dyno Flash then? Do you like it? How long have you had it for? Thanks. I though you had an exede??

 

You wouldnt be close to Milford Lets just say I dont like to make statements without doing a little digging. Beside its not all that difficult to scan ign timing and power then to scan it agian to find out the advance and pickup on the powercurve.

 

I am just trying to see where you are comming from with your statement. You say "I have a dynoflash right here', does that mean in your car, on your work bench or in your house? What do you mean by "right here."

We all know the SAFC does not effect static timing so your comparison is very irrelevant. I understand the dynoflash does fuel, ign, boost taper, rev limit and fuel cut. Obviously, the SAFC, while great can not compare.

On the "particular" reflash you have "right here". . . . how "twisted is the timing?" How could you tiwst the timing too far on the stock ecu becuase as soon as it hears any knock activity the ign timing gets retarded. The stock knock sensor is very sensitive so it is hard to push anything too far without getting timing pulled.

I know you dont care for the dynoflash, I just want to see if there is any truth to your allegations so I can weigh and access what you have asserted.