i think he said that the WORKS flash was spiking too high and he was forced to use a MBC to fix the WORKS problem.

 

i guess so. I hope so.

 

Interesting to note that a thread inteneded to be a discussion between members about these products has degraded into a mini election speach between the represenatives of two of the three companies, meanwhile apparently one of them is not allowed to respond.

Funny how even though they did not say one word, dyno flash is winning by a land slide.

Also funny how david talks about how to read a dyno sheet, while Works never posts any.

 

Hey XRS-Lift, is it clearer now?

After all this, I've decided to get a V-8.

 

So, are you gonna "chip' that V8?

 

aaaarrrrrgggghhhh!!!!!

 

Gee.... and here I thought I was being helpful explaining the differences between how the systems work. You thought that was an election speech? Winning by a landslide?

On thing I've noticed is that people treat these tuners as though they were sports teams. Rather than cheer on your favorite to "win" think of yourself as a consumer -- at the end of the day, that's what you are.

Do you get into a fistfight at the grocery store shopping for beer? Do you get into a shouting match when someone buys something different from you? I should hope not.

All beers are not the same just as all ECU flashes are not the same. Understand the difference in how they are made and why they might be priced differently and you'll be a better-informed consumer.

Incidentally, why would you want WORKS or any other tuner to post a dyno sheet? These products have each been on the market for a long time -- in WORKS' case, the Brain Flash has been out for nearly as long as Evos have been sold in the U.S. Plenty of customers have posted sheets from each of these tuners. Isn't it better to get your info from the customer rather than the tuner? After all, do you really have any way of verifying the results the tuner is purporting to show you are "typical" of their flash?

Bottom line: Take a step back. Re-read what has been posted with a cool head and you might learn something about how these products work.

-- DavidV

 

Perhaps members who pose questions and wish to hear about vendors and not from them simply request "No Vendors Please". I am sure the vendors would honor that request. Just a thought.


Speedlimit...

 

Hey David, nice to see you around again. The problem I have with my P2 flash is that I paid $600 with no explanation as to why it was worth more than the $200 flash. Works seems to have a very tight lipped, amiguous way of dealing with technical questions. Hell, it took quite a bit of proding just to get the measurments of the throttle body I picked up at the STL Dyno Day. It makes one somewhat suspicious. This seems to have gotten much worse since you departure.

Anyways, thanks alot for coming in here and taking some time to explain why I spent what I did on a flash. I really appreciate it

 

Correct me is I'm wrong but is it true that most people that have have been DynoFlashed have the custom Dyno tune where AL flashes their car while on the dyno donsen't that cost over 500. (seems like a great proven product)

I really want to here from those with the Mail-in DynoFlash
or see the Dyno result from them

Dyno P1 & P2 thread
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...=&threadid=665

Work throttle body thread from 02/11/04
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...threadid=64394

TYLER0@works seems to be making a good effort to be informative

 

Sorry about the P1/P2 Dyno link I don't know what happened try this one

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...threadid=66576

 

Another is that company never pokes their nose in forums outside of their own. It probably hurts their sales some, but that's just how it is.

 

Your getting to respond bro and your being good so noone is complaining. Outkast is ironically fitting

 

I mentioned that in response to what I interpreted in your previous post about manipulating the stock taper function reducing the level of overall safety since the boost is set to not bleed off for a period of 10 mins, which we all know is a time condition which will rarely be present. To an extent modifying this setting is similar to using a MBC to run slightly higher boost levels as there is still an element of taper but the stock ecu controlled FBC is more resistent to boost spike and adaptable to differing weather conditions. However, the stock taper function is not something I would manipulate while changing the stock boost line/pill to allow greater boost levels then 19.5psi in a modified application, but in a near stock application (with the stock line/pill) I find it perfectly safe and simpler.

 

Ok its all semantics in exchange for a "safer" boost you must lite off the mix earlier and increase in cyl pressures with ignition advance. Like almost every other 4G63 tuner they would rather an extra dash of boost (from one of the biggest fitted factory turbo systems) than an extra dash of advance- If you choose one method over the other (personal preference) Noone is going to convince anyone away from that unless failures are attributed to that specific method. Luckily that something we dont have to worry with right now