how do they get moody? What causes them to get moody ill try and avoid whatever it is.

 

Lots of things Heat, extended load, bad gas (Weve heard that many a time from a specific tuner- though not in the context of ignition advance) Racing your buddy from a stop after hard runs

 

A better solution is to go to a local meet and try each other’s cars out. This takes care of potential vendor/magazine bias and the artificial environment of a dyno shootout. I might add, a meet is a great way to figure out which of the options suits your driving style and preferences.

A bunch of the local guys here in NorCal have already done exactly that. There have been several informal comparisons of XFlash and P2. As many Dynoflashes as Al claims to have done by now I'm sure someone with a Dynoflash shouldn't be too hard to find at Evo meets.

But seriously, as an enthusiast, your number one resource should be the ability to learn from each other. Listen to what the tuners have to say and think through how each of the different products is designed to work, but at the end of the day, choose the product that suits your needs and driving style.

You might be surprised to find that one with the lower peak dyno HP is a whole lot quicker in the real world or that the one that is slightly slower than the other according to the stopwatch is a whole lot more enjoyable to drive. You'll never know for sure until you try.

-- DavidV

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I guess that is kind of the what we are doing right now in this thread - kind of like a cyber meet eh? I think the hard thing about your proposal is that most evo owners would not want to give up their car for test rides to see who has the best reflash?

I think we are going to learn more this summer as more and more of the reflash users hit the track and post up on this forum about how their cars are running over time.

 

Blonde WTH are you editing posts for?? I dont see anything changed but notice the reload and footer?

 

Hi David. I am trying to put your comments and insights into the proper perspective, so I'd like to ask: do you still have a direct or indirect financial interest in WORKS?

 

I hold no direct or indirect financial interest in WORKS. I hold no equity with WORKS. I am not employed by WORKS. I receive no commission of any sort from WORKS.

However, until my departure I spent the last year of my life -- including nearly every night and weekend -- helping WORKS in the capacity of Marketing and PR.

As such, it is understandable that they are still close personal friends and I wish them well in the future.

But putting that aside, I don't personally feel that WORKS has gone far enough to explain how and why their products are different and unique. Hence, we have threads like this based on the false premise that you can rank the P2, XFlash and Dynoflash based on price.

I still spend a fair bit of time browsing these boards, and if I don't see WORKS seizing the opportunity to correct commonly held misconceptions, I find it entirely appropriate for me to do so. Further, it is to the benefit of the community that someone like myself be available to give the "inside scoop" on how and why the WORKS products are developed to be unique/different.

I have never claimed to be unbiased -- only unaffiliated.

-- DavidV

 

DavidV, thank you for clearing that up. I can certainly appreciate that kind of enthusiasm for a vendor

I agree with you that WORKS has not gone far enough with sharing hard facts about their designs and philosophies (apart from vagaries such as your comment about their "optimizing within the Evo's intended operating parameters" -- still want to know what that means specifically)

For the better part of a year now I have been hoping WORKS engineers would come on the forum more often and speak more about their designs and approaches, if only because there's only so much people want to hear from the marketing department (no offense!)

It is clear from your customers' anecdotes that WORKS has great customer service and I've yet to hear of anyone disappointed with your Brain flashes (despite the shortfalls in peak numbers). So of course I am curious why -- guess I'll have to find one to drive!

 

i guess i am doing a good job if you haven't noticed what i changed

i simply changed a small line that could cause a lot of flames and throw the thread off track.

thanks for keeping an eye out though..

 

when it comes to tuning ecus... its the person with the most experience, knowledge, and ingenuity. In fact, many I know of a japanese tuner whom is banned in japan because he can tune better than the leading tuning companies, so he comes to america for work... so its not really who is affiliated with who, its who knows their **** and will do it for a decent price.

 

Thats why i went with Dynoflash. I met someone at D1 today and he stated that Al aka Big Al knows his stuff but hes an A-hole. I've chatted with him on AIM a couple times and he seemed like a cool guy. And generous too. So far I like him.

 

Careful here - you'll get warned.

 

for what?

 

The BEST ECU tuner in the U.S. is in SoCal - he did my first flash. He got the 350Z certified in the U.S., developed the software most of these flash guys are using, can tune a car to perfection, etc. He would NEVER post on a forum because he is already waaaay too busy with OEM requirements from manufacturers looking to get certified. ImportUpgrade probably knows who I am talking about...

I am going to try to get him to fly out to the D.C. area and finish my car off for me. Then I'll let you know who it is. A hint: He's not EVER featured in the "Tooner" mags.

 

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