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Not sure if this is internet garbage or not, but I read on another forum one time where a kid wanted his ride to look "pimped," so he put Armor All ALL over his tires (including the traction surfaces) and then proceded to spin out and wreck He was theatening to sue Armor All. heh heh

sorry for the O/T

3071R Rules!!!!

Oh, and how much would a tubular exhaust manifold improve spool-up on this turbo? 200rpm? 300rpmsooner? How much? ANyone tried the 28xx yet? Just wondering what the story on that would be...

 

Hey Noize,
I am seriously considering this kit since ?I still can't get a Stage 2 out of Shiv ( even though he said it was very possible to have one by our Texas Dyno Day)... Do you think I should consider this kit in addition to my Stage 1+....? I also have a few other mods in the garage that were waiting on a Stage 2 install..

If so, which which a/r should I get .63 or .82? Let me know... I'm hoping to have one by mid month late July at the latest..

 

I'm arguing against this idiocy you wrote; see below...

There are several other Evos on this site with the stock turbocharger that have put down much more usable power and will be faster on a roadcourse and on the dragstrip than Az3ar's car. They've accomplished this for a lot less money invested, too. A turbocharger is a great upgrade, but IMO, he did it way too soon. Those other guys aren't stuck, they are instead holding their wad, going with a more well thought out mod path, and laying groundwork so they can upgrade the turbocharger without having a peaky mirdrange-less car with OE cams and other stock bits hindering performance of the too big (for the current mods) aftermarket turbocharger.

WARNING!!!! This stupid post started the whole flame fest and is what originally knocked the thread way off topic back 4 pages ago!!!

First of all, we all know the K03 is a tiny POS that can hit full boost at 2000rpm when breathing freely on a 1.8T and whose torque output totally pukes and dies by 5000rpm. Tangerine to grapefruit here. Nobody is questioning a Dub owner's intelligence about getting that upderperforming tiny junk off their car a bit earlier in the game.

Now, onto the 16G.

Look closer and notice that neither 4G63>OOOO nor myself have run reflashes and already have XEDEs. The fact that you even brought up DVs shows that you are still thinking in narrow mindded 1.8T la-la land, because the Evo DV will take you a lot further than the older 1.8T DVs would. I think Forge put a pamphlet in every stock AWD/AWW Audi/Dub to increase their sales potential. If/when you do upgrade the OE Mitsu DV for bigger boost needs, why would you have lost/wasted any money? OEM snail or no, once you replace the DV with a stronger aftermarket recirc one, you'll likely keep it till the car dies. That's an investment, not a waste.

We come from the school of thought that you should maximize what you have. There are A LOT of parts on Az3ar's car that were much bigger restrictions than his 16G, and they all cost a lot less to replace. Yet, many of those OE parts are still on the car.

I'm not slamming the guy that has the wallet to do it all at once. Heck, I wish I did. But if you can't, then why put the big turbo on first? Its ridiculously laggy, has a very narrow power band, and needs race gas to **maybe** keep up with a regular old Stage 1+ on pump. Even then looking at that graph, I can tell you that a 1+ or maybe even a 1 will hurt that car's feelings on an autocross/roadcourse.

Game, set, match. How can you even seriously defend your self after an idiotic post like that? Heck, you should pupt a T88 on your 4G63! Just because it doesn't spool fast doesn't mean it can't make wicked top end power. You'll get walked by a stock Yugo from idle-6500rpm, but from 7000rpm to fuel cut, you'll have 800rpm where you could pull a BPU++ Supra: "Hey man, I'll race ya from 108mph to 120mph in 4th gear! You're gonna get it there!"

Do yourself a favor and practice what you're preaching: DO take a look at the power curve and see how dead the car is in the midrange because there are a bunch of little earlier mods that need to still be done so the car will wake up and perform like it should.


Az3ar's car with the bolt ons used during those dyno runs would get monkey stomped by 4G63>OOOO's car, I promise. When that car is cammed, has a complete exhaust, an IC, and is retuned at Vishnu with race gas for those parts, then maybe you can talk smack to him.

Are there any wheels in your head starting to turn?

 

I'd give Shiv a buzz on that one, bro. I definitely think that Az3ar's kit will be a lot more exciting if added to a 1+ car, but I have reservations until I can see one that was modded from a heftier foundation. As it looks now, that is way more lag and not enough top end power for me to even dream of pulling the 16G for. The 3037S is definitely still worth waiting for, especially when tuned for race gas, IMO. If you want something to occupy you in the meantime, look into an bigger FMIC or maybe even water injection if that floats your boat.

The Stage II might not be ready just yet, but its going to be worth the long wait, everyone just has to hold tight awhile longer! Don't settle just yet.

 

Why are you tapping the manifold? The kit comes with a exhaust housing that has a port for the wastegate.

 

Let me know when that happens, because it's not going to with a turbo kit on a stock motor.

Agh, just read Noize's post, I don't have the time, patience, inclination or desire to hold your hand and tell you why putting a 3071R on an otherwise stock motor is idiotic.

I'll just let you find that one out on your own.

 

Are you telling me that it's idiotic to put on a 3071r onto a stock motor? Who said ANYTHING about me putting that turbo on my car?

Perhaps I wasn't clear about my intentions or perhaps since you haven't read the entire thread you don't know. My turbo kit is not going to be going on a totally stock motor. The internals are staying as is until it blows up. Otherwise I will have similar or more mods than everyone else. My car will be laggy, it won't be good for the street, it will be loud, and it will have **** for gas mileage. As for the dv (or as you call recirculating valves) or reflashes, or intercooler pipes or intakes or o2 housings or dps or whatever else is a waste of money for ME. That's why I said it was a waste to buy all these things when I'm going to upgrade the turbo anyway.

Let me go over your post...
Again, these guys with their wads in their hands arent' my route. My car will be "laggy" as you call it (lol ok it'll be laggy) so I really can't say anything about having pre 4000 perkiness. But again, see my response above.

Please remember this post. I want you to tell me why it's so stupid afterall.

I admire your knowledge about the VW, but here again, what good is a aftermarket (or even a super duper stock) DV when you (I) have a custom made intake / intercooler pipes? OOPs waste of money!

I am practicing what I am preaching, as my car will have all those 'little earlier' mods to help spool this turbo. (Tho, some later than sooner.) I don't have a dyno graph because, obviously, I don't have the car built yet.

Now, I wasn't talking about Az3ar's car, now was I? Perhaps you assumed that I was? His upgrade path is his own choice... I don't even know the guy, so ask him if he's going to beat him or not.

Maybe they are. But what I really think is that you were assuming you knew what I was doing. I admit I am not giving out much info about what I'm doing but I really shouldn't have to. So is this a case of miscommunication? Perhaps.

So now do you think I'm stupid for not building up my stock 16g? Is it stupid of me not to buy all these parts that ultimetly would be replaced? No.

 

I guess we both have different ways of doing things.

I'd rather do things in stages and not have thousands in parts just sitting in a pile, waiting to be installed and tuned. My car was done piece by piece and I really like driving it every day now. All about useable power and driveability on the track, not a huge, rodbending torque hit at 4500. My suggestion to you is to build a block if you're going for a big (GT30 or bigger) turbo. It just won't hold together long term, IMO. Sure, you'll make the power, but just when the car's running AWESOME, it'll blow. Trust me, I've been there and it's not a good place to be, man.

Best of luck to you, though, but IMO, you're setting yourself up for a major headache.

 

FWIW, I appreciate the advice. I am prepared for it to let go. If and when it does, I'll be building a something bigger

 

If a rod goes (which is the most probable thing I think) you will end up with nice big holes in the block along with a bunch of other nasty stuff. I've seen it happen to a friends EVO so I know. It will work for a while but sooner or later something will break I would guess. My friend had to get a new short block, new head, new valves, new turbo etc. etc. it got VERY expensive.

A much better thing would be to at least change rods and pistons before you start boosting with a large turbo, not THAT expensive and you could get the stock bore ones that doesn't require a rebore. Makes the install a lot easier and thats what I've done on my car. I have Ross pistons and Eagle rods in now and awaiting my 3071

 

Pretty much I plan on doing head studs for the remainder of the summer. This winter, I might pull the motor and do some bottom end work. From what I've read, it seems the rod bolts are the weak spot so that's the initial plan. But then again, if I'm that far already, why not just do the rest? Oh and in case you are wondering, I will not be doing a stroker kit.

My project isn't that big. The summer goal is only 500 whp.

 

build it so you can drive it like you stole it, that's my philosophy. 4g63 i agree with staging, bottom end work before turbo upgrade. i don't know why az3ar has so much confidence in 4g63's capabilities to hold high boost with stock bottom. that's just asking for something really bad happening, even as it is, the evo isn't really made to make this much boost and last FOREVER, i think making more power means mkaing more strength first.

 

It seems that you are unaware of how strong the 4g63 is then. My brother had EVO 5 back home with over 500 whp and he still has it, Over 80000 miles no issues. We might have some small bolts on the bottom of our engine but 4g63 should go up to 450whp no problem, which is my goal.

 

shrugs... i guess when i drive like i stole it i have to feel more security than that. almost all cars have to be "built they way they should have been."