ylen13..
Might be a moot point as I don't think this case is going to be appealed/reopened or even BREATHED ON again..

But we (some people here) may certainly appreciate your input!

 

ylen13:
do you have something against me? seems like every one of your posts has been something discouraging "Blah blah could be reopened" You know what go troll another site and give your criminal law advise there. Good bye.

Everyone else:
I will give out my docket/case number but, and here is the big thing. I will only give it to those people that have obtained one of these glorious tickets and is fighting it. This won't be available to the entire community. Just because I can see this getting a little out of hand and possibly being abused. Remember people this is a general forum anyone can view and there are Honda owners viewing this as we speak. Do I need to put MY name into someone elses court case? HELL NO. I don't mean for this to be rude or inconsiderate but I am just trying to protect myself in the long run.

 

The originator of this thread has good reason to ask ylen13 to move on. And ylen13’s opining on legal issues to continue his anti-wing agenda is amusing. I think his work is done here. An appeals judge summarily dismissed the case as a "waste of time". Cool.

Speedlimit......

 

dryad001,

Has this become a case law where the appealate process deemed it as so? Was it casually dismissed or haggled a bit before the ruling?

There is a difference on how to set precedence on a ruling.


ylen13’s,
As for the state supreme court, I hardly think they will look at the case if it has been already dismissed. By default, the lower appeal court's ruling stands.

As for the issue of nonfunctional wing, look at the original Audi TT. It didn't have a small wing. After a year or so, Audi started getting reports on TT's crashing on the Autobahn, because the rear during a certain speed would start to lift up. To prevent a rash of lawsuits from wrongful death and negligence, Audi built a small wing to give the TT enough downforce to stick on the road.

Then, you can look at most Porsche 911 with an auto adjusting wing. Porsche designed it to serve a purpose at certain speed. I can't remember the speed, but it's not in the triple digits.

 

well, thanks again for fighting it (i say again, 'cuz i said it already in your thread 'i won').

i agree that you probably shouldn't post it openly on here - but believe me...i'll be PMing you if i get ticketed for my wing!

 

I also believe that Dryad is alright asking this troll to go on to other sites to spend his criminal justice belief's there...

Originally Posted by ylen13
I hope you lose in your appeal and have to pay thousand of dollars to the lawyer for nothing. Those wings surve no purose on road and freeways and unless you want to travel at 80,90 mph and therefore there is no reason for having them on your car. I am glad that police and court finally start ticketing those that have those wings on there cars, hopefully more people will get the message take them off or get a fine. Local cities/states/counties can make there own laws that makes things illegal regarless if federal goverment makes it legal. All it means that you will not be prosecuted by federal goverment but because you broke the law of state/city/country you will be prosecuted by them if they want

you don't like wings, too bad... do they cause accidents??? not that I know of, and, don't care if you say they do because you are nothing more than a no good lying troll... someday, someday maybe you can take off your rent-a-cop uniform and put on a real... hopefully, that day never comes because you are a biased scumbag griefer suffering from napoleons complex, and trash like you gives GOOD Cops BAD names... Do yourself a favor and go troll www.vtec.com ... kids are way more gullible... here, you're not going to have that... especially now that you lost your cause of being here... -----COMMENTS REMOVED-----

and once again, thank you Dryad for fighting this INJUSTICE...

 

While I don't agree with ylen13, debate is always facilitated by contrarians.

 

To add ... bad debate is facilitated by one or both sides not reviewing as much factual information as possible.

That is one reason why I tried to post in this thread with WI laws, and offer constructive advice.

As for ylen's arguments against the evolution wing ... EVO wings are fully functional and provide useful downforce at speeds lower than 70-80mph as claimed. I'm glad to have a wing on my EVO, and I'm glad our EVOM member won his case.

jcnel.

 

dryad001i am not trollng i posted what i trully feel at the time that i made the post. Regarding you only pm the case number of you case, just so you know your case is part of public record and anyone can access it under freedom of information act.

 

Told you it was BS.

Ylen13 lost his case. Boo-hoo. Now he can go troll and discourage some other people getting screwed by the Fuzz.

Congrats man.

Hope I never need to reference your case...

 

http://www.caseclerk.com

I know dismissal does not = case law. It's the judge's refusal to see the case and overturn a low court's ruling. This does not mean other appellate judges will follow the dismissal judgement from Judge XYZ.

Example: a speeding ticket

a) The cop does not show up in court. The judge dismisses the case. The PA cannot appeal the dismissal, making up excuses for the case to continue.

As for the possibility of wrongful dismissal or a mis-trial, it's super rare: ie look at the movie "Mississippi Burning" which was based on a real event. Don't know how the Feds circumvent the legal raggling or run into the "double jeopardy" clause. Those ex or still KKK members are starting to get dumped into jail.

b) The cop shows up, and I beat the wrap. The PA can file an appeal. In the appeallate court, I still beat the wrap. This becomes a case law that other judges, especially lower tier judges, MUST follow. Now, the PA won't go to the State Supreme Court over a speeding ticket, because it's not worth the effort . . . I'm throwing a moneywrench into a cash cow train.

c) worse case scenario: I lost in the lower tier court, file an appeal, lost in the appeallate court, and petition the state supreme court. They can either see or not to see the case; in the end, I win in the State Supreme Court over a speeding ticket, overturning all lower court's rulings = case law . . . all judges in the state MUST follow the ruling, unless a kangeroo court. Then, it's the appealate process to follow the rules of the State Supreme Court. I'll repeat: Speeding tickets will never reach the Fed Supreme Court, because they will never look at it.

 

^ Well said good man.

 

the reason why law is so hard is because it subject to interpetation. I can't say that i lost and he won as i had different interpetation of law then judge who is much more knowledgible about it then me.

 

Well, your interpretation of the law and the processes in this example..

Cost you the case, counselor.

 

Congrats, dryad!