View Poll Results: Is the MR worth the extra money over the GSR?
Yup, ACD and 6-speed is a must!
501
44.93%
Nope, not worth the money.
614
55.07%
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MR vs EVO: Is the MR edition worth it?
2. Seeing how the RS has an aluminum roof, as does the SE, the $2000 allocated to the object seems like a very poor value on a relative scale.
Weight plays such important role in the car, the roof save you 4 kg, the side bar save you 3.5 kg, thats a total weight saving 16.5lbs!!!!! from the furthest distance of center inertia.
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So just by the simple math calculation, if you getting all the after market parts by yourself at damn good deal, extra $1000 for the forged wheel, extra $500 for the better blistein shock, $1000 for the 6 speed(very subjective as 5-speed more durable, yet 6-speed more responsive), $500 for HID kit, plus the $2,000 on the weight saving.....runs you a total of $5,000 (WITHOUT WARRANTY!!!!!)
So, without paying more than $5,000 more by getting a MR compare, don't you think is a good deal??? Since a MR is like $33k and a GSR is $28k???
So, without paying more than $5,000 more by getting a MR compare, don't you think is a good deal??? Since a MR is like $33k and a GSR is $28k???
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Heh, this thread is pretty moot. People who have the MR are generally going to say it's worth it, and people who chose not to get an MR (for whatever reason) will say it wasn't worth it.
Even if some people who didn't get it think it's worth it, they might not say that so as to defend their actual choice. And people who did get it but think it's not worth it, will likewise say it is.
Ultimately, as some people have said before, this question needs to be asked to a group of unbiased people who don't already own an Evo!
Thanks!
S.
Even if some people who didn't get it think it's worth it, they might not say that so as to defend their actual choice. And people who did get it but think it's not worth it, will likewise say it is.
Ultimately, as some people have said before, this question needs to be asked to a group of unbiased people who don't already own an Evo!
Thanks!
S.
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I just bought my evo friday, love it.. i currently have an 05 sti and a 94 supra t88.. anyway i go to TURBOTRIX RACING in NJ, from what i understand they have the fastest evo out there right now, all they work on is mitsubishi.. and when i told them i was buying an MR they laughed at me and told me its a waste of money so i just bought the ix se.. i dont really know much about em but those guys are gurus so..
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I just bought my evo friday, love it.. i currently have an 05 sti and a 94 supra t88.. anyway i go to TURBOTRIX RACING in NJ, from what i understand they have the fastest evo out there right now, all they work on is mitsubishi.. and when i told them i was buying an MR they laughed at me and told me its a waste of money so i just bought the ix se.. i dont really know much about em but those guys are gurus so..
As one poster said, we were all unbiased when we made our choices. I had all the facts, I had the money, and I got the Evo that looked the nicest. HID lights, nicer seats, six-speed, alluminum roof, power everything, guage cluster, etc.
People buy what they want because they want it. Would I have been happy owning a lower end model? No, cus frankly, I probably would have just put my money into those little things I could have already had with the MR.
I'm tempted to make a thread called "Face it, you bought the RS because you're cheap," but THAT would sound insulting.
don't regret getting my MR however one of the main reasons I got is was the aluminium roof, as this was something that really couldn't be upgraded (I also love the BBS wheels and grey color)
Now that AMS has released a carbon fiber roof that changes things a little, now there is an upgrade option that is lighter than the aluminum. Had this been out when I got my MR I may have decided differently.
Now that AMS has released a carbon fiber roof that changes things a little, now there is an upgrade option that is lighter than the aluminum. Had this been out when I got my MR I may have decided differently.
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I don’t think the MRs are worth the $35K+ sticker less the dealer markups, and here are the reasons:
1)
First and foremost, I am curious how come no one on this board mentions the fact that the MRs are heavier, 22lb or 10kg to be exact, than the regular Evos even after so many “weight saving” additions, such as the aluminum roof-panel, light weight BBS wheels.
I think when you are comparing models, it’s only reasonable to compare similar models like the MRs with the standard Evos. Here I am not making comparisons with the SRT-4, S4, M3, Vettes or 350Z. And when comparing the MRs with standard Evos, you can’t avoid the question that if both cars have the same engine outputs, almost identical suspension setups (MR Bilstein vs Evo KYB) and 5 spd vs 6-spd tranny, how can the MRs be faster or superior to the standard Evos if the MRs weigh more?
You are welcome to verify my source from Mitsubishi USA, not just any car magazine.
http://media.mitsubishicars.com/deta...37861&mime=ASC
2)
I also don’t quite understand why people are so sure that the MRs can out-handle the standard Evos. Sure, the Bilstein Monotube shocks are more ride-compliant and more responsive. But, according to what I read from Edmund.com, the regular KYBs have a better overall feel than the MR units although I have not driven them both back-to-back on a track. With all that said, I don’t think the Bilstein units can translate more than a few seconds on a track situation, not to mention on a street driving situation.
http://www.edmunds.com/reviews/roadt...5/article.html
3)
This is a pretty well known fact in Japan. Shortly after Mitsubishi first introduced the 6-Spd on the JDM Evos, the Japanese were having a lot of problems with the 6-spd tranny as soon as they began to modify their evos. The 6-spd tranny is a decent unit by itself, if you don’t heavily mod the engine. The 5-spd tranny, however, is race-proven and shown almost bullet proof unit over the years.
4)
On a personal note, the HIDs are one of my considerations for the MRs. And I absolutely agree that it’s ridiculous to pay $3K to get a set of HIDs plus a bunch of other junks you don’t need. However, the solution to this is you can always get HIDs aftermarket. A nice set of aftermarket HIDs will run you about $300+.
Finally, I went to the Mitsubishi “feelwhathappens” event this past Saturday Oct 23, in Sol Cal at the El Toro Marine Base Airport. I happened to run into the Marketing Director of Mitsubishi North America. As I was walking in the event parking lot, I saw this guy who was parking a white MR. I went forward and checked out his car and he introduced himself to me as the Marketing Director of Mitsubishi NA and told me he is responsible and in charge of the “feelwhathappens” event. He then proceeded to show me his car around. During our conversations, he told me his views on the MRs and told me he only keeps his cars for 3 months and then he will resell the car. He droved 3 Evos before his current MR. He asked me about what I think of the MRs. I basically laid out my arguments to him why the MRs, even with all the technological additions, do not justify the extra $4.5K and I also told him that I have to bear in mind with the dealers’ markups here at Sol Cal, which is about $4-5K+. So, you will have a MR from the dealer that will run you $40K with which you can't even negotiate. And all of a sudden, the basic $30K Evos start to make a more sense. I told him with the standard you can at least negotiate with the dealer.
He looked at me and paused for a while, and then said “You are right. All you need is a base Evo with a set of Bilsteins. Then you are set!” When mentioning about the dealers’ markup, here is what he said, “We don’t want our dealers to markup our vehicles. That hurts sales. That’s why we intentionally delayed the release date on the pricings of the MRs so that they can’t mark up our vehicles. But they still do it. Hey, you have to bear in mind that there are only 1,000 of these MRs coming over and the dealers also have to make some money too!”
He answered almost all of my questions except one. He told me that like the 6-spd tranny the 05’s 5-spd tranny also has a low-friction Teflon-lined shift control cables, which is a big plus for me. But he can’t tell me for sure what is the best way to break in the Evo engine.
Nonetheless, he was a very nice, well-mannered gentleman with a cool foreign accent.
Sorry for the long post. Hope you have as much fun reading it as I was writing it.
http://www.feelwhathappens.com/
1)
First and foremost, I am curious how come no one on this board mentions the fact that the MRs are heavier, 22lb or 10kg to be exact, than the regular Evos even after so many “weight saving” additions, such as the aluminum roof-panel, light weight BBS wheels.
I think when you are comparing models, it’s only reasonable to compare similar models like the MRs with the standard Evos. Here I am not making comparisons with the SRT-4, S4, M3, Vettes or 350Z. And when comparing the MRs with standard Evos, you can’t avoid the question that if both cars have the same engine outputs, almost identical suspension setups (MR Bilstein vs Evo KYB) and 5 spd vs 6-spd tranny, how can the MRs be faster or superior to the standard Evos if the MRs weigh more?
You are welcome to verify my source from Mitsubishi USA, not just any car magazine.
http://media.mitsubishicars.com/deta...37861&mime=ASC
2)
I also don’t quite understand why people are so sure that the MRs can out-handle the standard Evos. Sure, the Bilstein Monotube shocks are more ride-compliant and more responsive. But, according to what I read from Edmund.com, the regular KYBs have a better overall feel than the MR units although I have not driven them both back-to-back on a track. With all that said, I don’t think the Bilstein units can translate more than a few seconds on a track situation, not to mention on a street driving situation.
http://www.edmunds.com/reviews/roadt...5/article.html
3)
This is a pretty well known fact in Japan. Shortly after Mitsubishi first introduced the 6-Spd on the JDM Evos, the Japanese were having a lot of problems with the 6-spd tranny as soon as they began to modify their evos. The 6-spd tranny is a decent unit by itself, if you don’t heavily mod the engine. The 5-spd tranny, however, is race-proven and shown almost bullet proof unit over the years.
4)
On a personal note, the HIDs are one of my considerations for the MRs. And I absolutely agree that it’s ridiculous to pay $3K to get a set of HIDs plus a bunch of other junks you don’t need. However, the solution to this is you can always get HIDs aftermarket. A nice set of aftermarket HIDs will run you about $300+.
Finally, I went to the Mitsubishi “feelwhathappens” event this past Saturday Oct 23, in Sol Cal at the El Toro Marine Base Airport. I happened to run into the Marketing Director of Mitsubishi North America. As I was walking in the event parking lot, I saw this guy who was parking a white MR. I went forward and checked out his car and he introduced himself to me as the Marketing Director of Mitsubishi NA and told me he is responsible and in charge of the “feelwhathappens” event. He then proceeded to show me his car around. During our conversations, he told me his views on the MRs and told me he only keeps his cars for 3 months and then he will resell the car. He droved 3 Evos before his current MR. He asked me about what I think of the MRs. I basically laid out my arguments to him why the MRs, even with all the technological additions, do not justify the extra $4.5K and I also told him that I have to bear in mind with the dealers’ markups here at Sol Cal, which is about $4-5K+. So, you will have a MR from the dealer that will run you $40K with which you can't even negotiate. And all of a sudden, the basic $30K Evos start to make a more sense. I told him with the standard you can at least negotiate with the dealer.
He looked at me and paused for a while, and then said “You are right. All you need is a base Evo with a set of Bilsteins. Then you are set!” When mentioning about the dealers’ markup, here is what he said, “We don’t want our dealers to markup our vehicles. That hurts sales. That’s why we intentionally delayed the release date on the pricings of the MRs so that they can’t mark up our vehicles. But they still do it. Hey, you have to bear in mind that there are only 1,000 of these MRs coming over and the dealers also have to make some money too!”
He answered almost all of my questions except one. He told me that like the 6-spd tranny the 05’s 5-spd tranny also has a low-friction Teflon-lined shift control cables, which is a big plus for me. But he can’t tell me for sure what is the best way to break in the Evo engine.
Nonetheless, he was a very nice, well-mannered gentleman with a cool foreign accent.
Sorry for the long post. Hope you have as much fun reading it as I was writing it.
http://www.feelwhathappens.com/
^^^ It's not about how fast the MR is or which EVO is faster. If that's the criteria for deciding, the MR is definitely not worth the extra money. The MR is a special edition EVO that was equipped with certain special equipment which made it different from the RS and GSR. For some people the feel or the MR with the aluminum roof and the more comfortable ride without sacrificing the handling is a great deal. Also the HIDs are very nice as well as the aluminum roof, the BBS wheels, the 6 speed, etc.
When I got my MR it was much nicer "for me" than the '03 GSR I traded for it. I still think that the MR is more fun and more pleasant to drive than the '03 GSR. Also, the car cost back then $35K... The differences between the '05 GSR or RS and the MR would cost a hell of a lot more than the $5K difference in price. For me and others like me, the MR is definitely worth the extra money. However, I'm sure it's not every one. To each is own, and if driving a stripped down car and saving the $$ makes you happy, by all means do it.
When I got my MR it was much nicer "for me" than the '03 GSR I traded for it. I still think that the MR is more fun and more pleasant to drive than the '03 GSR. Also, the car cost back then $35K... The differences between the '05 GSR or RS and the MR would cost a hell of a lot more than the $5K difference in price. For me and others like me, the MR is definitely worth the extra money. However, I'm sure it's not every one. To each is own, and if driving a stripped down car and saving the $$ makes you happy, by all means do it.
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^^^ It's not about how fast the MR is or which EVO is faster. If that's the criteria for deciding, the MR is definitely not worth the extra money. The MR is a special edition EVO that was equipped with certain special equipment which made it different from the RS and GSR. For some people the feel or the MR with the aluminum roof and the more comfortable ride without sacrificing the handling is a great deal. Also the HIDs are very nice as well as the aluminum roof, the BBS wheels, the 6 speed, etc.
When I got my MR it was much nicer "for me" than the '03 GSR I traded for it. I still think that the MR is more fun and more pleasant to drive than the '03 GSR. Also, the car cost back then $35K... The differences between the '05 GSR or RS and the MR would cost a hell of a lot more than the $5K difference in price. For me and others like me, the MR is definitely worth the extra money. However, I'm sure it's not every one. To each is own, and if driving a stripped down car and saving the $$ makes you happy, by all means do it.
When I got my MR it was much nicer "for me" than the '03 GSR I traded for it. I still think that the MR is more fun and more pleasant to drive than the '03 GSR. Also, the car cost back then $35K... The differences between the '05 GSR or RS and the MR would cost a hell of a lot more than the $5K difference in price. For me and others like me, the MR is definitely worth the extra money. However, I'm sure it's not every one. To each is own, and if driving a stripped down car and saving the $$ makes you happy, by all means do it.
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for me the ssl package was difference between a gsr and mr. I really enjoy the sunroof and black leather, I drive the car 95% of the time on the streets where the weight difference is not going to be noticed.