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Old Dec 6, 2004 | 12:27 PM
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2) the build quality is inferior to all other japanese brands, and today even the americans and korean cars have shown better build quality. Check the ratings. I've owned 5 mitsubishi's and they are all garbage quality.
Prove that. That today Mitsu cars are not competitive with American and Korean brands - and Japanese. I don't care how many Mitsus you've owned. That is not a true statement. Something must've kept you coming back - otherwise why would you keep throwing money away on cars of "garbage quality"? Are you some kind of car masochist? Did they sit you down and show you a tape on the care and feeding of your TSX as well as warranty concerns about its maintenance needs? No. So there's no comparing it to an Evo.

And as far as the other opinions that Mitsus are crap and ugly except for the Evo and they don't stand behind their cars - well you guys are welcome to your opinions - but luckily for me you guys don't represent anything anywhere close to the majority of owners or prospective buyers for a Mitsu product. But it amazes me how a few of you will say "Yeah I hate Mitsu and I'll never get another one because I heard they did this to so and so, and wouldn't fix so and sos car, but mine has been fine" I can understand the ones that have been slighted personally - I just don't get the need to be on the hate bandwagon for no other reason but for what you've read and not experienced.

Because the FQ400 exists somewhere in some part of the world by no means gives people the right to mod and compete with their cars and expect a warranty or that Mitsu should "build it stronger" for this market.

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Old Dec 6, 2004 | 12:35 PM
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Because the FQ400 exists somewhere in some part of the world by no means gives people the right to mod and compete with their cars and expect a warranty or that Mitsu should "build it stronger" for this market.

Disagree.

They should still stand behind it for 100% of what isn't affected. Don't tell me that my exhaust caused my sunroof to leak, or you won't fix my sunroof because I put an exhaust on my car. Don't even tell me that my exhaust and tuning have caused my radiator hose to blow, or that my alternator is dead due to higher engine power. That's crap.


Not that any of this matters anyways, they're not going to change they way they do business because a few people don't like it.
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Old Dec 6, 2004 | 12:37 PM
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I honestly never had a problem getting warranty work done. I must have been at the dealership about 4 times getting warranty work done. Rotors, Seat, belt and tensioner, fan module. All replaced no problem.
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Old Dec 6, 2004 | 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by 2GDSM
Mitsubishi has three major problems.

the build quality is inferior to all other japanese brands, and today even the americans and korean cars have shown better build quality. Check the ratings. I've owned 5 mitsubishi's and they are all garbage quality.
I second that comment. I still have my g-sigma and with 204,000 miles runs without any problems with the original engine and tranny. is it inferior? no. actually it is more advanced in technology than my honda pilot which at this point have several recalls already. but everybody in the community is still happy because of their customer service. quality is not the same as quantity ratings. my IS, well that's a different story.
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Old Dec 6, 2004 | 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by WrX Kila
I honestly never had a problem getting warranty work done. I must have been at the dealership about 4 times getting warranty work done. Rotors, Seat, belt and tensioner, fan module. All replaced no problem.
Depends on the dealer...it also helps if you "know someone" there...
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Old Dec 6, 2004 | 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by RallyRedEVO
Don't tell me that my exhaust caused my sunroof to leak, or you won't fix my sunroof because I put an exhaust on my car. Don't even tell me that my exhaust and tuning have caused my radiator hose to blow, or that my alternator is dead due to higher engine power.
I won't and we haven't. Do you have any documented proof that this has happened to someone? Or are you just spouting off senarios from your imagination?. I've been on this board for quite some time and I've never seen a complaint about someone not getting their sunroof fixed because of an exhaust. I also don't believe everything I read on the internet either, but that's another matter. Now, complaints about power mods voiding powertrain warranty, I have seen.
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Old Dec 6, 2004 | 01:00 PM
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I never thought I would buy another Mitsubishi after owning an Eclipse GS-T, but I decided to give mitsu another chance when the Evo came out. I figured since the evo was made in Japan the quality would be much greater. Mitsu's quality and customer service does suck. And about denying warranty to evos that are modded is bullsh*t cause who's going to get an evo and just leave it stock?
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Old Dec 6, 2004 | 01:05 PM
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And about denying warranty to evos that are modded is bullsh*t cause who's going to get an evo and just leave it stock?
me for one. this car is capable of going much faster than you should drive on the street, and if you break it on a race track or drag strip you should cover the costs. I'm not going to go back to Ford Europe when I break something on my rallycar.
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Old Dec 6, 2004 | 01:25 PM
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I just can't get over the fact that the guy's name is BEAVIS! SHUT UP BEAVIS!
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Old Dec 6, 2004 | 02:38 PM
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If you read what I said, I said that I do like the cars. My turbo eclipse are fun and so is my evo, but that doesnt mean that the cars arent pieces of garbage. You can back mitsubishi all that you want, but I already explained my opinion. if you can 3 rear diffs and a host of new transmissions/synchros good quality then I do not know what is wrong with you. Toyota built the supra with 300+ hp, and those stock cars run 200K miles without problem. Even the modded ones hardly break. Im sick of seeing people on this forum back mitsubishi for their warranty issues also. Not everyone who's car develops a problem abuses the car. The evo is or should be built to handle normal rigours that a performance car like the evo will forsee in regular use. mitsubishi has no excuses.
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Old Dec 6, 2004 | 02:51 PM
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Old Dec 6, 2004 | 03:12 PM
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Best quote all day!

As far as Mitsubishi goes ... good riddance to an exec. that can't stick it out. He probably earned too much anyways. One less yakyakyaker to feed, and more corp. moola to do something good.

As far as Mitsubishi warranty goes ... The EVO is a great car! Yet, all of the 'American' decisions on the 03 and 04 EVO like the clutch pill, the boost pill, the weaker clutch, and the "only two spider gears" front diff. in an American only transfer case really needed to be looked at. They have addressed most of those items for the 05s and that makes me feel a little better. I personally didn't think the EVO was going to survive here for so long, but its been the support behind the EVO that's kept it running strong.

The American market is a tough one ... and Mitsu. has been through a lot to support it. Some of the mistakes I've seen have been the redesign of the Eclipse, and the loss of support for some good technologies like AWD systems. Subaru put themselves in the black with AWD, and Mitsu. just hasn't been able to effectively mine that market.

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Old Dec 6, 2004 | 03:43 PM
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You can back mitsubishi all that you want, but I already explained my opinion.
I have no concerns about what your opinion is, I only responded to what you were trying to pass off as facts. That all their cars are subpar and that a turbo AWD performance car should have the same cost of ownership as a FWD N/A car.

As far as your DSM's having trouble, well I own one too and I haven't had any trouble - does that mean I'm right and you're wrong? No. So it doesn't really matter. Mitsu recalled the transfer cases so even if you come in with a GSX with $50,000 worth of mods, or a pile of a VR4 with 200,000+ miles you are going to get a new one - but only one - did you have to pay for all of yours? They aren't perfect. But for every broken GSX, there's hundreds of common average unmodded Mitsus with happy owners with thousands of trouble free miles. The GSX and Evo (and turbo DSMs in genral) represent a very small corner of Mitsubishi. Your experiences are not indicative of the entire company's line up.

I love how people bring up the Supra like it is just an average everyday occurence in the automotive world and that all cars should live up to it. Yes, Supras are bulletproof, yes they last and yes they hold up under mods, but there were also only 5000 MKIV TT's ever built, they cost well over 40 grand back in '98 and nobody, Toyota included, makes anything like it anymore. Why? Because they lost their *** on each and every one. They'd rather you buy a GS400 or 4Runner for the higher profit margin. That still doesn't mean it isn't expensive to own and maintain one a Supra. Should I go on about all the high mileage VR4's I know of?

I hear the MKV will be a Lexus and will cost around 100 grand. So I guess the Evo will have to match it too, huh? You've had three different Mitsus and had tranny problems with all of them, hmmmm. Perhaps you're just an unlucky person.

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Old Dec 6, 2004 | 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by 05-EVO-GSR
True, but the Acura is a FWD and makes a whopping 150 pound feet of torque.
Actually, it makes more than that, but what's your point? Do you think the car would break if Honda designed it with more power?
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Old Dec 6, 2004 | 06:05 PM
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damn man i cant believe this is what's happening to mitsu, it has been around as far as i could remember
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