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Old Dec 7, 2004 | 07:04 AM
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Actually, it makes more than that, but what's your point? Do you think the car would break if Honda designed it with more power?
Its possible, considering they recently recalled 600,000+ of their V6 vehicles for tranny problems.
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Old Dec 7, 2004 | 08:44 AM
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I'd wager that the opinion of Mitsubishi's warranty coverage held by Evo enthusiasts are not really representative of the entire Mitsubishi customer base. I'm sure there are a fair share of warranty problems among non Evo owning Mitsubishi customers, but that's the case with every car company. Basically, 99% of car owners out there change the oil and tires and that's it. They don't mod their cars. I'd bet that at least 25%, if not more, of Evo owners do some sort of modifications to their car. Dealerships know this. Consequently some of the Evo owners who DON'T mod their car get a "guilty until proven innocent" attitude from the service dep't when they bring their cars in for warranty work. I'd be surprised to find 50 million threads on the Mitsubishi Montero forums about warranty restrictions. I could be wrong, but I think a disproportionate amount of the Mitsubishi customer service and warranty issues are being had by Evo owners. For the most part that slogan of "best backed cars in the world" is much less laughable for non-Evo owning Mitsubishi customers.
I think you're right. My mom has an Endeavor by the way and she LOVES it. It has been an excellent car, and I even enjoy driving it. The reason I like the Endeavor is it comes equipped with everything you need, and nothing you don't need... so the price is very reasonable.
I think Mitsu really need to revamp their dealer network... my dealer happens to be great, but I went to a Mitsu dealer in Charleston, SC and it was just plain awful... I mean I wouldn't have even trusted those idiots to work on my Evo.
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Old Dec 7, 2004 | 10:44 AM
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IMO one of Mitsubishi's major problems is brand loyalty and what they are doing isn't helping. Look at Honda-tech with the people with Integra type-r's. Look at their daily drivers... civics or accords. Maybe an acura suv for the wife. When they grow up and sell their cars what do they move on to? TL's or other luxary acura's. Look at supraforums.com. Daily drivers are toyotas. Then if they sell it and go luxary they will usually go for a lexus. It's called brand loyalty which mitsubishi's is pretty much non existant.
To an extent they have some, as you can see with the people who list gsx's as their former cars. However I think that's more of a awd turbo fetish, rather than mitsubishi fanatics, as I have seen a lot of people in gsx's buy sti's. Mitsubishi really is in a bad situation, they have a very very bland lineup (besides the evo of course) and aren't standing behind their warrantys. It's not the mods that void the warranty that I'm mad about (infact I think it's pretty understandable), but to void warrantys for taking your car autoxing? That's absurd. If they want to turn their sales around they will have to totally turn around all their model's (again, besides the evo) and give their customers much much better service. Then and only then will you build a customer base. I honestly don't think it will happen though.
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Old Dec 7, 2004 | 10:56 AM
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2) the build quality is inferior to all other japanese brands, and today even the americans and korean cars have shown better build quality. Check the ratings. I've owned 5 mitsubishi's and they are all garbage quality.

I had three rear diffs put into my GSX over the course of time I've had it, my Spyder has been to the dealership dozens of times from transmission problems to the roof leaking
There's your problem. You were actually driving Chryslers and didn't even know it. Next time try buying a Mitsubishi actually imported from Japan. 4 straight Paris Dakar rally wins for Mitsubishi. Why? Because they didn't use Mitsubishi's built in the USA. Thats not a knock on US quality, just that there's no incentive for an american building Mitsubishi's to do a good job. And consider that Pearl Harbor wasn't that long ago there's incentive for American workers to do a bad job. Again, not a dis on American workers, just an e-z analysis.
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Old Dec 7, 2004 | 11:11 AM
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There's no incentive for an american building Mitsubishi's to do a good job. And consider that Pearl Harbor wasn't that long ago there's incentive for American workers to do a bad job. Again, not a dis on American workers, just an e-z analysis.
Are you actually serious dude?
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Old Dec 7, 2004 | 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by evolife04
the reaseon they are going out of business is they treat there customers like s##t

if they cared more then people would return..

and cars they make here in US are butt ugly

3g eclipse
galant, and mitsu flagship from australlia all outdated and ugly compared to other brands

why hire new ceo's, no ceo will increase sells, these cars are ugly, designs are old, and quality of built here in US is just ****ty.

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And consider that Pearl Harbor wasn't that long ago there's incentive for American workers to do a bad job. Again, not a dis on American workers, just an e-z analysis.
um, i dont think pear harbor has anything to do with mitsu quality, keep in mind chevy, chrysler and ford had the same problems, but somehow most of them make profit
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Old Dec 7, 2004 | 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Ev0wned
It's called brand loyalty which mitsubishi's is pretty much non existant.
It isn't as desperate as you paint it. There are plenty of people who are serial Mitsubishi owners who have never had a DSM or Evo or VR4 and have no intentions of getting one. Our numbers may pale in comparison to the likes of Honda and toyota, but we aren't the worst amongst the major japanese. Mazda is, incidentally. But that's neither here nor there. It is my job to know these people (at least the ones in my immediate area), and I have lots of help from Mitsu gathering information on them as do my couterparts all of the country - I don't just scan a few internet forums for a couple of performance cars to come to that conclusion.

I don't agree with the assertion that Normal, IL built cars are subpar, at least not now with the current lineup - but I do agree that Mitsubishis' stigma as the Zero manufacturer, and their huge family of companies representing all that is about impenetrable Japanese industrialism is a factor in making them unpopular in general with the american automotive press.
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Old Dec 7, 2004 | 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by GPTourer
I don't agree with the assertion that Normal, IL built cars are subpar, at least not now with the current lineup - .

have you ever sat in 3g eclipse??? japs built cars this quality 20 years ago
germans 35 years ago,
everything was designed by an idiot, I undersand keeping costs down but this car is a prime example why mitsu is going down. Hopefully mercedes will buy it out

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Old Dec 7, 2004 | 01:18 PM
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There's your problem. You were actually driving Chryslers and didn't even know it. Next time try buying a Mitsubishi actually imported from Japan. 4 straight Paris Dakar rally wins for Mitsubishi. Why? Because they didn't use Mitsubishi's built in the USA. Thats not a knock on US quality, just that there's no incentive for an american building Mitsubishi's to do a good job. And consider that Pearl Harbor wasn't that long ago there's incentive for American workers to do a bad job. Again, not a dis on American workers, just an e-z analysis.
What the... Pearl Harbor? Who thinks that way anymore?

You know Chrysler owns majority of mitsubishi, but I don't believe they actually built it for mitsubishi.

Then again, Mitsbishi's been making engines for a lot of different company for a long time.

I think they'll pick up as soon as they drop all the big cars and few suv's and concentrate their effort on sports cars, which they're doing.
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Old Dec 7, 2004 | 01:42 PM
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Yup...it would be like the MKIV Supra all over again...a highly-moddable Japanese car only available in limited numbers...prices would go up and up...

Ain't gonna happen, though...automobiles are only one part of the huge global corporation known as , which makes everything from heavy machinery to TV sets to airliner parts. They have VERY DEEP pockets...your auto dealers are not going away anytime soon...
This is a good point, Mitsubishi makes crayons on top of it all for christ's sake. In any event it is required of businesses with warrenties of ANY kind to hold a certain amount of money for if they go out of business. If they do go out of business then that money is bidded out to other companies in the same field (for example Dogde could pick up the contract) to do all warrenty work that would normally be done by Mitsubishi. As far as comparing the Evo to the Supra and other cars like that for buying class I don't see the connection. I only drive a standard OZ and I feel more than comfortable running it through construction areas, open land my friend's own, and wet gravel roads. Try that in anything less than the more lifted sedan frame and you're f***'d. It also doesn't help that Mitsu released a prototype car that got obnoxious gas milage and still destroyed cars on the track like the Xsara, Supra, and STi's then scrapped the project because the car was something like 2.5" not wide enough to register in the WRC. Oh, and to date I have ZERO commercials for the Evo, Ralliart, or Lancer. If the company isn't proud enough to get the word out on their product why would you want to buy it being a new customer with little to no knowledge of the company/product base??
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Old Dec 7, 2004 | 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Steiner
Are you actually serious dude?
Have you ever heard what people say about Japanese cars at a Super Chevy show? What if a Japanese dude killed your dad with a bayonette at Iwo Jima and 50 years later Chrysler transfered you from Plymouth to Mitsubishi, would you work your hardest? If you can't wrap your mind around that then you are too naive.
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Old Dec 7, 2004 | 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by MaxR
Have you ever heard what people say about Japanese cars at a Super Chevy show? What if a Japanese dude killed your dad with a bayonette at Iwo Jima and 50 years later Chrysler transfered you from Plymouth to Mitsubishi, would you work your hardest? If you can't wrap your mind around that then you are too naive.
I must be too naive then. People like job security. Specifically their own. I don't see the correlation between WW2 and Mistubishi's current financial woes. You think it's all because of Yankee sabotage? Please...expand on this idea while I pop some popcorn.
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Old Dec 7, 2004 | 02:30 PM
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I must be too naive then. People like job security. Specifically their own. I don't see the correlation between WW2 and Mistubishi's current financial woes. You think it's all because of Yankee sabotage? Please...expand on this idea while I pop some popcorn.
I'm not going to agree or disagree with what's being said there, I don't really think the way the topic was brought up was the best way but that aside there is still a large amount of bigotry in this country. You still hear about the god damn KKK at least 2 times a year and my grandpa did have a WWII flashback at thanksgiving three years ago when I told him I was going on vacation in Japan for the summer. I don't think that has much to do with the quality of the cars because most of the people who manage the manufacturing plants for the cars are Japanese engineers (my dad worked for one) and they hold the American employees to the company standards. I mean even on this board when I mentioned wanting a Citroen Xsara most of the comments were along the lines of "I would never own a car with such a fruity name". Packaging is greater than performance in the US.
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Old Dec 7, 2004 | 03:10 PM
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This thread has gone from reality to conspiracy theory.
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Old Dec 7, 2004 | 03:52 PM
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Don't buy a Mitsu then. Go buy yourself a yuppie BMW and drive away in your 325ci happy and pleased that your car is nicely warrantied.

I can't believe half of this site is taken up by people b*tching about their warranty.

And to the chime of the 3g Eclipse's - I had one for over 3 years and the only thing that broke on it was the horn. And to the imagination of most, Mitsu fixed it, under warranty. I loved that car and was the main reason for me buying another Mitsu, the Evo.
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