I cant understand why the Autox staff would let you run R-compounds in the ice and snow. Sounds like they need to get there act together. Why did you have to buy another MR instead of fixing the one you have?
Why would you want to take a chance with R-compounds again and possibly wrecking your new car and potentially hurting someone again?
You might wanna change your screen name and exchange the a for an o!

 

And...... you're missing the point. It shouldn't be YOUR CHOICE. It should be the safety stewards ultimately saying 'No'.

Your 'responsibility' in this part should be a lessoned learned that you should not do it. In that case... you haven't learned anything and you sying you're going to do it regardless means... you don't care about anyone else.

That's my take on it.

--kC

 

if you were slipping all over the place why didnt u place it in gravel or snow mode and simply deal with the understeer

 

Question... who at the event told you 'no, you can't run on them'?

Here's the real deal... if someone of a higher authority at the event told you you couldn't run on them, and you did anyways... the guys hospital bill should be coming out of your pocket and not the clubs insurance. And not your ins. company... they shouldn't cover 'racing' expendatures/claims. I have it in writing, from your post, that you 'don't take no for an answer'.

And people wonder why solo fees go up... and insurance for the club rises because one or two asshats LIKE YOU decide they're better than COMMON SENSE.

Just an FYI.. someone in the club HAS been notified of this thread. Your attitude that you're better than everyone else (because you will do the same thing in the cold next event) has no place at an auto-x.

 

I was there and saw the whole thing. First of all, our region is very good with safety, teching cars and running a pretty good event. This was a total freak occurence. The lot started out mostly covered with snow, but by the end of the day with the sun shining and cars running the same line you had some spots that were cleared and some with snow. I ran my MR with Blizzak LM-22's. I have to agree that it wasn't the right conditions for R compounds, but it was sure fun with snow tires. I think the driver should live and learn from this incident. If it is 50 degrees or warmer on a dry lot, I can see running R compounds. Another thing to note is that the driver was quite concerned for the well beiing of the guy in the porto potty. His attitude on here is different than when I spoke to him after the incident. I didn't catch his name, but when he reads this I am sure he will know who I am. I think our region will take the criticism from here and learn from it. We will have to be stricter when running in those conditions. There was also a Porsche boxster s on r compounds too. Running r compounds in the snow ruins them from what I know. Oh well, everyone who autox's should learn from this so it doesn't happen to you. Just my .02. Oh yea, how in the hell did you buy another MR so fast. If you did that is crazy...

 

there's this saying that comes to mind... i actually think i saw it on this board once upon a time and it goes a little something like this:

"Don't fly faster than your guardian angel can carry you"

it's something along those lines, but you catch my drift.

 

I will never crap in one of those things again (the porta potty, not the EVO). Life is too short to end up azz over teakettles and covered in poopoo and porta potty chemicals because some EVO track newbie overcorrected in Turn 9.

 

lol

 

First.. ok its kind of amusing in that.. wow strang things happen kind of way....

but.. the other SCCA and autocross guys here are starting to get to this and all, but its getting hard to find sites.. stories of vettes hitting workers, cars flipping over, Mitsubishis hitting porta-potties..

we can run litterally hundreds of thousands of safe autocross runs (some with the drivers trying very hard to be stupid) and these are the ones that get attention. Please please think about this when you throw pictures up on the net. You never know who is watching, or more likely who will jsut not think and talk to some business owner with a huge parking lot and make a joke of this when its not.

As far as R compounds. that was driver error. I have run R compounds in an autrocross at night, in the rain at 45' and once at night, 33' out. Of 75 cars or so i was 2nd in the rain, and FTD on the colder night in a G-Stock CRX. I have run twice this year in sub 50' temps on Rs.. (2nd of 55 overall the first time, 6th of 110 the 2nd time) Plenty of people run in cold temps with Rs, and whole grids at nationals when the temp is in the 50s in the early morning run groups. A disciplined driver will still handle himself. Sure things happen, but dont blame it on the equipment, its always up to the driver to be in control of what he has.

Jon K
www.seat-time.com

 

I concede driver error could be a factor. 1st driver error is choosing to run the wrong equipment for the conditions.

However, for the past 5 years I've gone to Topeka, I've never seen it be lower than 60 when 1st heat started... and it only gets warmer from there. Also, that concrete hasn't been sitting in 40 degree or lower temps for a good month before we ran on it, nor was there snow still on the course. To compare the conditions at Topeka at Nationals to an asphalt covered lot with snow, poles and curbs is absurd.

--kC

 

Wow.. interesting read and views from some SCCA guys. I agree with KC though, it was a pretty idiotic thing to do, especially when you put other peoples lives at risk.

Hopefully the person that was hit was not seriously hurt.

 

Ah c'mon, you are taking this WAY to seriously. Lighten up, dude. Do you really think internet peeps are not going to post something as funny as an EVO hitting a porta potty, in order to save the safety reputation of SCCA? Honestly, that is one of the stupidest posts I have ever seen.

This is funny stuff. Get with the program.

 

weird attitude from the driver, nonetheless glad that everything was fine!
It would be even "FUNNIER" if the Porta Potty does not have cover on the top... meaning it's a open air porta potty... then you'll see all the dung on the evo...

 

HOW DID YOU NOT *** up the suspension? I figure it would be bent all to hell, atleast bend an A-Arm or a shock? IDK. Amazing.

 

Dude, if you are at all concerned with your liability, I would quit posting **** like this. Looks like you have a "deep pocket" and if the porta-potty guy were to go after you, this sure would look like an admission of recklessness on your part.