Car and Driver EVO 8 Test Figures!
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Originally posted by xcdan
I have two points to make.... first, look at yourselves!!!! If you are buying this car to drag race, you are buying the wrong car, go fallow Chicago mike to your nearest mustang dealer and buy the same car as every other Dumbass American who doesn’t have a clue what racing is all about. This car is not all about who can drive a 1/4 mile the fastest, its about who can find that road in the mountains and lay down some rubber around the bends. It is also about being an individual and driving something rare and different that the 100 mustangs you see when you step of the curb to cross the street.
I have two points to make.... first, look at yourselves!!!! If you are buying this car to drag race, you are buying the wrong car, go fallow Chicago mike to your nearest mustang dealer and buy the same car as every other Dumbass American who doesn’t have a clue what racing is all about. This car is not all about who can drive a 1/4 mile the fastest, its about who can find that road in the mountains and lay down some rubber around the bends. It is also about being an individual and driving something rare and different that the 100 mustangs you see when you step of the curb to cross the street.
Who cares about being an "individual?" If 1 million people have the same taste as I do in cars, does that make me boring or dull... NO!! It means the 1 million people have good taste like me!!! 
If I want to drag race an AWD car, then I will and I don't need your "aproval" to do so! 
Your opinon on how the car should be used is just that, JUST AN OPINION!
Second, as far as the arguments about what magazine has what grandma driving what speed is all horse ****, if you have nothing better to do than argue about someone else’s day at the track that you weren't even there to see then you need to turn off your computer right now, and get the hell out of your house or office and take a few deep breaths.
I think you need to calm down... the whole point of this board is for discussion and opinions... I am will state my opinion that C&D can't drive an AWD for shizzle because it is true!!!
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Originally posted by Turboniam
I've been racing AWD for several years... I know all about the "different" conditions that pertain to "different" level of AWD cars.
I have an ACT 2600 in my DSM and know all about the bog or spin issues... if the track is preped and there is alot of traction then ALL YOU HAVE TO DO is launch the car HIGHER!!! Which is BETTER.
On a stock car, such as the one in question, if the track is prepped and the car is bogging, launch the SOB higher and higher until you don't bog/launch well. Case closed (assuming the tranny/clutch will hold!)
I've been racing AWD for several years... I know all about the "different" conditions that pertain to "different" level of AWD cars.
I have an ACT 2600 in my DSM and know all about the bog or spin issues... if the track is preped and there is alot of traction then ALL YOU HAVE TO DO is launch the car HIGHER!!! Which is BETTER.
On a stock car, such as the one in question, if the track is prepped and the car is bogging, launch the SOB higher and higher until you don't bog/launch well. Case closed (assuming the tranny/clutch will hold!)
Have a
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MR awd: UMMM ya my last car was a 300+ hp wrx untill i couldn't afford it anymore.(My house comes first) and my friends current
wrx runs 11.3 at 117mph so yea i know alittle about AWD.
Also when i was in puerto rico i drove a evo 7, so yea i know how
they drive.
And i never said 1/4 mile times is all that matter? if your that narrow minded that's fine by me.
Try on some 6piston brakes in the front and 4 piston in the back and get back to me, because it's even more fun than high hp cars.
later
wrx runs 11.3 at 117mph so yea i know alittle about AWD.
Also when i was in puerto rico i drove a evo 7, so yea i know how
they drive.
And i never said 1/4 mile times is all that matter? if your that narrow minded that's fine by me.
Try on some 6piston brakes in the front and 4 piston in the back and get back to me, because it's even more fun than high hp cars.
later
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Originally posted by phxscooby101
MR awd: UMMM ya my last car was a 300+ hp wrx untill i couldn't afford it anymore.(My house comes first) and my friends current
wrx runs 11.3 at 117mph so yea i know alittle about AWD.
Also when i was in puerto rico i drove a evo 7, so yea i know how
they drive.
And i never said 1/4 mile times is all that matter? if your that narrow minded that's fine by me.
Try on some 6piston brakes in the front and 4 piston in the back and get back to me, because it's even more fun than high hp cars.
later
MR awd: UMMM ya my last car was a 300+ hp wrx untill i couldn't afford it anymore.(My house comes first) and my friends current
wrx runs 11.3 at 117mph so yea i know alittle about AWD.
Also when i was in puerto rico i drove a evo 7, so yea i know how
they drive.
And i never said 1/4 mile times is all that matter? if your that narrow minded that's fine by me.
Try on some 6piston brakes in the front and 4 piston in the back and get back to me, because it's even more fun than high hp cars.
later
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Originally posted by Turboniam
C&D are complete Geezer driving idiots then!!!
SCC tested the same exact EVO version VI and got a 12.9 @ 106!!!!
I have the magazine right in front of me. May 2000 Sport Compact Car pg 56.
SCC even tested what the EVO VI would do in the 1/4 on dirt... they got a 14.3 @ 97... ON DIRT!
EDIT: I forgot to menion the 0-60 mph time ... 4.8 !!!
200ft skidpad: .95g
Braking 60-0: 117ft
C&D are complete Geezer driving idiots then!!!
SCC tested the same exact EVO version VI and got a 12.9 @ 106!!!!
I have the magazine right in front of me. May 2000 Sport Compact Car pg 56.
SCC even tested what the EVO VI would do in the 1/4 on dirt... they got a 14.3 @ 97... ON DIRT!
EDIT: I forgot to menion the 0-60 mph time ... 4.8 !!!
200ft skidpad: .95g
Braking 60-0: 117ft
This car was 300 pounds lighter than the US EVO VIII. Road and Tracks new issue got it to 5.1 seconds by dropping the clutch at 6000 rpms. This ain't no EVO VI
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phxscooby, where did you find an evo7 in PR?? last time I went, I saw lots of technica mirages and lancers with evo decals on them, but none of them really were. I asked around and nobody had ever seen a real one. It'd be nice if they were actually there so I could try one on my next visit.
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Originally posted by Cordwood
This car was 300 pounds lighter than the US EVO VIII. Road and Tracks new issue got it to 5.1 seconds by dropping the clutch at 6000 rpms. This ain't no EVO VI
This car was 300 pounds lighter than the US EVO VIII. Road and Tracks new issue got it to 5.1 seconds by dropping the clutch at 6000 rpms. This ain't no EVO VI
Cordwood... what the hell are you talking about???Are you following the threads or posting at random??
You do remember that it was I that had to refer you to the R&T thread so you would see that the EVO stats by C&D were full of crap???
I don't understand why you are repeating information that was already posted that doesn't even correspond to the quote you are replying to???
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Originally posted by Turboniam
Cordwood... what the hell are you talking about???
Are you following the threads or posting at random??
You do remember that it was I that had to refer you to the R&T thread so you would see that the EVO stats by C&D were full of crap???
I don't understand why you are repeating information that was already posted that doesn't even correspond to the quote you are replying to???
Cordwood... what the hell are you talking about???Are you following the threads or posting at random??
You do remember that it was I that had to refer you to the R&T thread so you would see that the EVO stats by C&D were full of crap???
I don't understand why you are repeating information that was already posted that doesn't even correspond to the quote you are replying to???
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I'm pointing out that Car and Drivers figure aren't that unrealistic. Road and Track basically had to rev this thing up near it's red line and drop the clutch to get 5.1. (Try doing that a few times!). If Car and Driver did a more modest clutch drop, 5.4 isn't that crazy. Everyone is comparing the porky US spec EVO VIII with Japanese and European variants. 3/10ths of a second isn't that significant and it looks like no body is going to get this car below 5 seconds as everyone speculated. "Wishing don't make it so" and "the truth hurts". Cheerleaders crack me up. Rah Rah sis boom bah. LOL
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Anyone find it a bit odd, that after going to all the effort of creating a performance car, getting the damn thing off the line at a decent rate, without causing expensive transmission\clutch damage is a bit silly.
Kind of ruins the point of 4wd, if you have to be nursing the damn thing to 60.
Maybe Mitsu would want to look into resolving this.
Kind of ruins the point of 4wd, if you have to be nursing the damn thing to 60.
Maybe Mitsu would want to look into resolving this.
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Ah, well - this is the unfortunate truth of being American. First thing that is asked is "what's the 0-60" followed immediately by "what's the quarter mile time". Well, more simply, they (we) just ask "what's it do?".
An American will respond "5 sec 0-60, 13.5 quarter". A European or Japanese would respond "pretty tight in the corners, gets the rear out a bit after apex, holds like glue but the suspension is a bit hard on your rear end".
My Legacy isn't a great performer from the American point of view. I'd probably be hard-pressed to break it out of the 6's. I know it can do low 5's, or possibly even 4's, but I'd never do that to the drivetrain - I own the beast (and it owns me!). However, I do know from experience that when it's in motion, it does literally compete with the best of the best. Supra turbo knees start to quiver near me on the Shutoko. On the mountain routes, even the Silvia turbo's get a bit of sweat on their brow. Why?
Because the in-gear acceleration is far more ferocious than the launch acceleration. That's a characteristic of the 2.0-litre turbo 4's that are cooled by intercoolers - off the line, the intercoolers don't do much, but when you are in motion in 3rd or 4th - watch out! Coincidently, the motors tend to blow up there more than anywhere else..
What's the point? Well, read between the lines - the car is fast, period. The Evo will do it's job, providing a superior point-to-point car that will suck the grills out of lesser vehicles on the road. It will provide supercar levels of handling and grip. It will do some more-than-decent launches, if done right. It will help make you look good.
But it's not a V8 ponycar. It's not a semi-exotic Viper. There's no 88valve V12's to make up for your launch errors. It's not a domestic, which means you pay a tariff. It's not God on the road, and no amount of GT3 will ever create that reality. It is a player, though. Not something you can say of many other cars.
If the fact that it's times in stock form are not fast enough for you - then you are looking at the wrong car. The STi isn't the one for you either.
Cheers,
Paul Hansen
(edit- changed such to suck - slurp, slorple, or hoover-ate would have done too, but alas, I'll stick with something standard)
An American will respond "5 sec 0-60, 13.5 quarter". A European or Japanese would respond "pretty tight in the corners, gets the rear out a bit after apex, holds like glue but the suspension is a bit hard on your rear end".
My Legacy isn't a great performer from the American point of view. I'd probably be hard-pressed to break it out of the 6's. I know it can do low 5's, or possibly even 4's, but I'd never do that to the drivetrain - I own the beast (and it owns me!). However, I do know from experience that when it's in motion, it does literally compete with the best of the best. Supra turbo knees start to quiver near me on the Shutoko. On the mountain routes, even the Silvia turbo's get a bit of sweat on their brow. Why?
Because the in-gear acceleration is far more ferocious than the launch acceleration. That's a characteristic of the 2.0-litre turbo 4's that are cooled by intercoolers - off the line, the intercoolers don't do much, but when you are in motion in 3rd or 4th - watch out! Coincidently, the motors tend to blow up there more than anywhere else..
What's the point? Well, read between the lines - the car is fast, period. The Evo will do it's job, providing a superior point-to-point car that will suck the grills out of lesser vehicles on the road. It will provide supercar levels of handling and grip. It will do some more-than-decent launches, if done right. It will help make you look good.
But it's not a V8 ponycar. It's not a semi-exotic Viper. There's no 88valve V12's to make up for your launch errors. It's not a domestic, which means you pay a tariff. It's not God on the road, and no amount of GT3 will ever create that reality. It is a player, though. Not something you can say of many other cars.
If the fact that it's times in stock form are not fast enough for you - then you are looking at the wrong car. The STi isn't the one for you either.
Cheers,
Paul Hansen
(edit- changed such to suck - slurp, slorple, or hoover-ate would have done too, but alas, I'll stick with something standard)
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