Car and Driver EVO 8 Test Figures!
As for an American muscle cars i'm really impressed with the ZO6. I'm definitly getting the next redesigned one, years away unless the GTR come out with some impressive #'s 
That car does it all from 1/4 MI to impressive handling, 50-50 wt split with very low weight for a V8.
That car does it all from 1/4 MI to impressive handling, 50-50 wt split with very low weight for a V8.
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From: Tokyo
Originally posted by Longfury
they can pull me down that straight all day but i'll beat them everywhere else
they can pull me down that straight all day but i'll beat them everywhere else
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car like the corvette r the supercars i was thinking of pulling me down the straight...Road Atlanta has a really long straight
u should look up Road Atlanta...it is called a driver track
www.roadatlanta.com
but pony cars the Evo will probally have the advantage
u should look up Road Atlanta...it is called a driver track
www.roadatlanta.com
but pony cars the Evo will probally have the advantage
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Originally posted by shirokuma
Actually, with some decent flow over the intercooler - they may not be pulling on you in the straights. It's the performance from a dead stop that the Evo/STi may suffer a little bit in, but in gear acceleration will be fierce.
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Paul Hansen
Actually, with some decent flow over the intercooler - they may not be pulling on you in the straights. It's the performance from a dead stop that the Evo/STi may suffer a little bit in, but in gear acceleration will be fierce.
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In all likelyhood, if the Evo 8 was geared for it, it'd probably hit over 170mph also. The truth is you won't find many racetrack straights where either the evo or the vette will hit 150mph, and you'll be deep into braking at that point.
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we can always go to LeMans
i know that neither car would wind out at Road Atlanta but the Vettes torque would get it up to speed quicker....and if u look at the map...from turn 7 down to 10 is flat out without the kink they just added as turn 8
but its nice to hear from u again Paul...we don't hear from u much any more
i know that neither car would wind out at Road Atlanta but the Vettes torque would get it up to speed quicker....and if u look at the map...from turn 7 down to 10 is flat out without the kink they just added as turn 8
but its nice to hear from u again Paul...we don't hear from u much any more
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From: Texas
Originally posted by Cordwood
I'm pointing out that Car and Drivers figure aren't that unrealistic. Road and Track basically had to rev this thing up near it's red line and drop the clutch to get 5.1. (Try doing that a few times!).
I'm pointing out that Car and Drivers figure aren't that unrealistic. Road and Track basically had to rev this thing up near it's red line and drop the clutch to get 5.1. (Try doing that a few times!).
The clutch and tranny are doing just fine... and the diff, axles, and t-case say hello also!
If Car and Driver did a more modest clutch drop, 5.4 isn't that crazy.
It looks like no body is going to get this car below 5 seconds as everyone speculated. "Wishing don't make it so" and "the truth hurts". Cheerleaders crack me up. Rah Rah sis boom bah. LOL
Cordwood, again what the hell are you talking about???I'll cut a 0-60 in under 5 for you if that will make you feel any better... believe me in the hands of someone who knows how to drive AWD, competent drivers will be able to pull sub 5 0-60s!
From your posts it sounds like you don't much about AWD or these 4g63 power plants! That is why it cracks me up that you "rush" to judgement about no one being able to beat a magazine time!!!
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From: Texas
Originally posted by Longfury
an Evo or Sti will not win a drag race against a pony car
an Evo or Sti will not win a drag race against a pony car
I've got VIDEOS and countless kills against V8s to prove that these AWD 4g63 cars can win drag races!!!These cars are not one faceted!!!
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From: Texas
Originally posted by cannyboy
Anyone find it a bit odd, that after going to all the effort of creating a performance car, getting the damn thing off the line at a decent rate, without causing expensive transmission\clutch damage is a bit silly.
Kind of ruins the point of 4wd, if you have to be nursing the damn thing to 60.
Maybe Mitsu would want to look into resolving this.
Anyone find it a bit odd, that after going to all the effort of creating a performance car, getting the damn thing off the line at a decent rate, without causing expensive transmission\clutch damage is a bit silly.
Kind of ruins the point of 4wd, if you have to be nursing the damn thing to 60.
Maybe Mitsu would want to look into resolving this.
Do you have any clue as to what you are talking about???? cannyboy, do you even own an AWD 4g63 Mitsubishi???
My transmission, clutch and driveline parts all say hello and that they are working in great order (especially from the 6K launches!)
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Originally posted by gtr
As for an American muscle cars i'm really impressed with the ZO6. I'm definitly getting the next redesigned one, years away unless the GTR come out with some impressive #'s That car does it all from 1/4 MI to impressive handling, 50-50 wt split with very low weight for a V8.
As for an American muscle cars i'm really impressed with the ZO6. I'm definitly getting the next redesigned one, years away unless the GTR come out with some impressive #'s
That car does it all from 1/4 MI to impressive handling, 50-50 wt split with very low weight for a V8.
The power to weight ratio is killer at stock levels!
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From: Reading, MA
Originally posted by shirokuma
Actually, with some decent flow over the intercooler - they may not be pulling on you in the straights. It's the performance from a dead stop that the Evo/STi may suffer a little bit in, but in gear acceleration will be fierce.
Actually, with some decent flow over the intercooler - they may not be pulling on you in the straights. It's the performance from a dead stop that the Evo/STi may suffer a little bit in, but in gear acceleration will be fierce.
After half of the track (still assuming the same power levels), RWD/FWD cars will be catching up with the AWD cars mainly due to lower drivetrain losses. If they ever catch you at the 1320 mark, that is where it will happen - right before the end.
The same goes for the straights on the track as well. If all cars are in the same power range, the longer the straight the more chances they have to catch us up or even pass. The thing is that 400 HP is 400 HP, regardless if it is coming from the big V8 or turbocharged/intercooled 4 cylinder! And, note that I purposely skipped torque effect on all of this!
On more major difference between the AWD cars and the others (an main reason why they are faster on the straights) is that they can put more power down in the turns, which brings them faster to the straight. Now, if we add rain
into the equation, it clearly shows that ability of the AWD cars to put more power down in most situations is the greatest advantage over anything else!!Fedja
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Originally posted by shirokuma
Ah, well - this is the unfortunate truth of being American. First thing that is asked is "what's the 0-60" followed immediately by "what's the quarter mile time". Well, more simply, they (we) just ask "what's it do?".
An American will respond "5 sec 0-60, 13.5 quarter". A European or Japanese would respond "pretty tight in the corners, gets the rear out a bit after apex, holds like glue but the suspension is a bit hard on your rear end".
My Legacy isn't a great performer from the American point of view. I'd probably be hard-pressed to break it out of the 6's. I know it can do low 5's, or possibly even 4's, but I'd never do that to the drivetrain - I own the beast (and it owns me!). However, I do know from experience that when it's in motion, it does literally compete with the best of the best. Supra turbo knees start to quiver near me on the Shutoko. On the mountain routes, even the Silvia turbo's get a bit of sweat on their brow. Why?
Because the in-gear acceleration is far more ferocious than the launch acceleration. That's a characteristic of the 2.0-litre turbo 4's that are cooled by intercoolers - off the line, the intercoolers don't do much, but when you are in motion in 3rd or 4th - watch out! Coincidently, the motors tend to blow up there more than anywhere else..
What's the point? Well, read between the lines - the car is fast, period. The Evo will do it's job, providing a superior point-to-point car that will suck the grills out of lesser vehicles on the road. It will provide supercar levels of handling and grip. It will do some more-than-decent launches, if done right. It will help make you look good.
But it's not a V8 ponycar. It's not a semi-exotic Viper. There's no 88valve V12's to make up for your launch errors. It's not a domestic, which means you pay a tariff. It's not God on the road, and no amount of GT3 will ever create that reality. It is a player, though. Not something you can say of many other cars.
If the fact that it's times in stock form are not fast enough for you - then you are looking at the wrong car. The STi isn't the one for you either.
Ah, well - this is the unfortunate truth of being American. First thing that is asked is "what's the 0-60" followed immediately by "what's the quarter mile time". Well, more simply, they (we) just ask "what's it do?".
An American will respond "5 sec 0-60, 13.5 quarter". A European or Japanese would respond "pretty tight in the corners, gets the rear out a bit after apex, holds like glue but the suspension is a bit hard on your rear end".
My Legacy isn't a great performer from the American point of view. I'd probably be hard-pressed to break it out of the 6's. I know it can do low 5's, or possibly even 4's, but I'd never do that to the drivetrain - I own the beast (and it owns me!). However, I do know from experience that when it's in motion, it does literally compete with the best of the best. Supra turbo knees start to quiver near me on the Shutoko. On the mountain routes, even the Silvia turbo's get a bit of sweat on their brow. Why?
Because the in-gear acceleration is far more ferocious than the launch acceleration. That's a characteristic of the 2.0-litre turbo 4's that are cooled by intercoolers - off the line, the intercoolers don't do much, but when you are in motion in 3rd or 4th - watch out! Coincidently, the motors tend to blow up there more than anywhere else..
What's the point? Well, read between the lines - the car is fast, period. The Evo will do it's job, providing a superior point-to-point car that will suck the grills out of lesser vehicles on the road. It will provide supercar levels of handling and grip. It will do some more-than-decent launches, if done right. It will help make you look good.
But it's not a V8 ponycar. It's not a semi-exotic Viper. There's no 88valve V12's to make up for your launch errors. It's not a domestic, which means you pay a tariff. It's not God on the road, and no amount of GT3 will ever create that reality. It is a player, though. Not something you can say of many other cars.
If the fact that it's times in stock form are not fast enough for you - then you are looking at the wrong car. The STi isn't the one for you either.
So you can see my hypothesis: Americans (excluding myself and present company) are obsessed with acceleration because handling is not as important. They tend to like comfortable rides to go along with torquey engines. Passing power on the highway and taking off from a traffic light are much more useful to them than taking an off-ramp faster or cornering flatter during rush hour. I, for one, enjoy taking highway ramps at speeds that make cars following me recede in my rearview mirror. In the U.S., it can be difficult to find good roads without traffic to have fun with a car that handles well. Good twisty roads do exist here, but I think they are rarer than what Europeans and Japanese encounter on a daily basis.
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Originally posted by Turboniam
I've got VIDEOS and countless kills against V8s to prove that these AWD 4g63 cars can win drag races!!!
These cars are not one faceted!!!
I've got VIDEOS and countless kills against V8s to prove that these AWD 4g63 cars can win drag races!!!These cars are not one faceted!!!
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Do you have any clue as to what you are talking about????
cannyboy, do you even own an AWD 4g63 Mitsubishi???
cannyboy, do you even own an AWD 4g63 Mitsubishi???
Regular 6k drops in an evo will cause terminal damage to the standard clutch, and pretty fast too.
Perhaps this ok in texas, although condemning evo clutches to death maybe normal, given the size of death row there