I dont know many stock block 4 cylinders than can handle 450-500whp.

 

I dunno 350 seems like decent tq output to me

My point wasn't that the 4G63 doesn't make good power, it was that it's technologically old....IRON BLOCK...there is NO reason to use an iron block

 

wow dude. alright let me explain MY point. If a 2.0 L evo came on the boards and posted a dyno sheet with 500 whp and then you looked at hte torque curve and it showed 325 wtq, they would get LAUGHED off the boards. you can show me a chart with 800 wtq from a honda, i don't care but then you look at the HP and its like 1500. the point is that the 4g63 will always out HP another 4 cylinder and if it out horsepowers a honda, its definitly going to out torque one. evos show higher torque numbers than HP numbers, hondas hardly show 70% of the HP on the torque side.

What reason do they need to use an aluminum block for? it's lighter sure, but other than that, what's the big deal?

 

 

Torque is only needed to get moving...after you make enough to get it off the line, you don't need more....Your argument about the 4G63 being superior due to torque output sounds very similar to the one push rod boys give about their V8s.

Here's a real world example...

My 2600lb honda putting out mid 220s whp PULLED BUSES on stock and bolt on EVOs all day long...Why? Power to weight + gearing > torque

 

You never stop moving weight. That is were torque is needed and honda's fail.

 

My question is, then why did you buy an evolution. Stick with honda and their motors if they are so much better. You say the 4g63 is the most under developed motor but yet you bought it.

 

b/c I wanted a car I could drive in the winter that wasn't super slow...I have a honda project car...the EVO is my DD...I didn't want to buy an audi b/c they generally are hit or miss nightmares; I wanted AWD (so the TL is out); and Mitsu had better financing than Subaru and I think the EVO looks better...It's a good car..so I bought it...

 

Haha. Buses huh? Your like those srt-4 guys saying they pull on stock cobra's.

 

Ok then you could of bought an sti.

 

If you'd really like me to, I'll go get video of my integra pulling my evo....I have no reason to make this **** up man...I own a ****ing EVO, it's not like I'm some Honda mole sent in to make you all feel bad about your car.

 

Yeah, no reason at all. Like no need to sleeve the block.

 

comon man, i can tell you know at least something, so don't make yourself sound stupid here. if you didn't need torque after you got off the line, than WHY please tell me WHY people care about torque curves?????


dude just think about it, what your saying makes no sense it's a physical function and fact that horsepower is useless without torque. if you only needed torque to get off the line, torque curves would be like insanley high in the middle of the powerband and it would just die at the end. and i don't mean stock evo turbo die, i mean like die. why do people keep wanting to flatten torque curves at the end of the powerband and get bigger turbos that are gonna hold boost later in the rpms and not fall off. because when your torque drops off, you don't go as FAST.

 

I understand the way I wrote that sounds lame...but I should say, once you have enough to move the vehicle you don't need any more..TQ curves matter b/c HP is a function of TQ and RPM...EVOs make big torque numbers becuase they don't rev out nearly as high so after the numbers are run to get the HP figure you have a high TQ number @ peak power. When you're making 400 hp @ 6K and 400hp @ 8.5K the tq vs. hp numbers are going to be drastically different...this is where gearing comes in.

 

Evos can rev out to 9k easy. I never knew they were limited to 7k.