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Old Jul 21, 2005 | 05:52 AM
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originaly posted by jasil- no car is running the Nisei, no fast car anyway. Wow where do you come up with this statement. I have seen plenty of "fast"
cars trade up thier avo, greddy, buschur etc...for a nisei. All testing will be done shortly, then you can make your own opinion.
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Old Jul 21, 2005 | 06:29 AM
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Originally Posted by BBYBruno
originaly posted by jasil- no car is running the Nisei, no fast car anyway. Wow where do you come up with this statement. I have seen plenty of "fast"
cars trade up thier avo, greddy, buschur etc...for a nisei. All testing will be done shortly, then you can make your own opinion.
BBYBruno - its clear that you are a loyal supporter of your chosen vendor's product (Nisei). Everyone is entitled to his or her own opinions and ideas. What I do not like, however, is when people force their opinions on others and polute a otherwise civil conversation with verbal feces. There is more than one way to look at something and the forums are about an open interchange of ideas - you have made your point don't turn this thread into trash.

Mr. Buschur is a guy with a lot of experience and accomlishments in 4G63 engine design and tuning. I find it ridiculous that a hobbiest like yourself is trying to question Mr. Buschur on these points. Simply put, its like me trying to tell Lance Armstrong which tires to use on his bicycle. When you dont know what you are talking about, its usually best to zip it and keep your eyes and ears open so maybe you can learn something.

If you like Nisei products - great for you. I saw one or two on my customer's cars and they looked nice and the cars ran about average compared to other similar cars I tuned.

This thread is not entitled - "Which FMIC company do you want to help sell its goods?" It is not about a comparision of competeing fmic kits. The thread is about making BIG whp on an Evo and how I did it.

The company that produces the cores which are used in the Buschur and AMS kits is a international company with billions of dollars in sales and a huge technical and testing resource. The same company's fmic cores are used by most of the world's fastest Sport Compact race cars. It takes a lot of testing andf R & D work to design the core to truely maximize heat transfer and improve upon a technology which is decades old. I feel that this product is superior to any other core on the market and its a very costly core.

I am not here to knock Nisei - but who are they? What have they accomplished in motosports. What records have they set? What races have they won? Before I personally use a product on my Evo - I want to know WHOM I am buying it from and know that the company has a pruven track record of actual performance.
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Old Jul 21, 2005 | 07:07 AM
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Al,

Are you saying that the Nisei intercooler made less horsepower on the customer cars you tuned than the cars equipped with the Buschur Intercooler? Do you have any dyno charts for us to see?

One more question in order to get best tune/flash from you do I have to have all Buschur parts? If so please let me know now and I’ll just get my car flashed by someone else or I'll just get an AEM and have it tuned by Sean Ivey.
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Old Jul 21, 2005 | 07:28 AM
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Al,

Are you saying that the Nisei intercooler made less horsepower on the customer cars you tuned than the cars equipped with the Buschur Intercooler? Do you have any dyno charts for us to see?

One more question in order to get best tune/flash from you do I have to have all Buschur parts? If so please let me know now and I’ll just get my car flashed by someone else or I'll just get an AEM and have it tuned by Sean Ivey.
I am saying that the few cars I came across with the Nisei fmic ran similar to other cars with fmic kits on stock turbo cars. I don't think you could tell the difference between one or another fmic kit on stock turbo cars.

As for my tuning, I tune any combination of parts that the customer may request. Buschur parts do work very well, particularly the staged packages which I have a lot of experience working with. However there are a lot of other companies which also make great parts that work well. In tuning the idea is to set the tuning paramaters to account for the modifications on the vehicle, not the other way around.

I have through the mail flash tunes for virtually any combination of main line aftermarket parts combos which you can choose, e.g. ; Helix, ARC, APS, HKS Greddy, K & N, Weapon R, AEM, AMS, Perrin, etc etc etc. It is very easy to hook up data logers on the car and tune it to match what ever parts combos you can dream up.

The main point about the Buschur parts is that they are designed to work well as a total package so it makes tuning much easier.

The AEM is an amazing product but its price and functions place it in a different market segment than a reflash of the stock ecu.

I hope that answers your question.

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Old Jul 21, 2005 | 07:44 AM
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Nisei fan boys (myself included), this thread is not about Nisei. The Nisei folks have more than made their point. Let's stop.

Al, good luck this weekend. You don't expect to beat Turbo Trix' record in 90 degree heat with high humidity do you? That would be quite an accomplishment.
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Old Jul 21, 2005 | 07:46 AM
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That's' great and all, but not everyone wants to use Buschur parts. There are more than enough quality aftermarket parts out there to choose from, so I see no reason why anyone should stick to just one manufacturer of parts. The EVO has been in Japan for years and they make alot of horsepower in Japan with various tuners and not one of them is running Buschur parts.

Please don't be baised when I bring you my car to be flashed because it doesn't have any Buschur parts on it.

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Old Jul 21, 2005 | 07:56 AM
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Originally Posted by blitz118
That's' great and all, but not everyone wants to use Buschur parts. There are more than enough quality aftermarket parts out there to choose from, so I see no reason why anyone should stick to just one manufacturer of parts. The EVO has been in Japan for years and they make alot of horsepower in Japan with various tuners and not one of them is running Buschur parts.

Please don't be baised when I bring you my car to be flashed because it doesn't have any Buschur parts on it.
If you are so worried, just send your ecu to Vishnu. Al isn't gonna sabotage your ecu because you have a Megan exhaust...
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Old Jul 21, 2005 | 08:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Smogrunner
If you are so worried, just send your ecu to Vishnu. Al isn't gonna sabotage your ecu because you have a Megan exhaust...
Al is local to me and I hear he does a very good job with the flashes. I just want the best flash possible and I don't have any Buschur parts on my car. Sorry, but I have no interest in dealing with Vishnu.
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Old Jul 21, 2005 | 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by davidbuschur
Martin,

I found no power to speak of in the throttle body and going to 3", that was at 630 whp though. I'd be surprised if most of the power you got wasn't from the new intercooler.

BTW, I retract what I said about AMS's new intercooler core being the same as our new one, it is NOT. Martin's intercooler is thicker, ours is only 4" thick.

David Buschur
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Yes, I would only attribute about 10whp at that level to the TB. I think the rest of it gets split between the IC and the fact that the exh. valves where fixed.,

-Martin
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Old Jul 21, 2005 | 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by plokivos
man, i knew the moment someone mentioned about the ams, this was gonna happen.

What is the beef between you people?

you guys make some amazing cars with amazing power and you guys are arguing online?

you should rather celebrate them.

Half or even 99% of the people on this board don't have 500+whp on their Evo.

So what does that mean? You should just do your best, pour out some good numbers and happy with the fact that both of the IC made some tremendous improvement over the stock setup.

and if one is better than the other, I'm sure they'll make they will try to make better ones than the competition next time. which is good for the owners.

I think both Buschur and AMS makes some very very sick cars with their products.

And Al loves racing and although he's a vendor here, he's just like the rest of us, just more crazier.

I really hope nothing is worked out so it looks like one shop is sabataging the other.

Because AMS is thinking that, but AMS is just pouring gasoline on the fire.

anyway, i guess everyone's going to enjoy it until it burns out.

that is all.
Take no offense but that swahili makes no sense. AMS was absolutely right to question testing methods on their product especially since their results of R&D were different. Al was gracious to acknowledge that he could have done it different and DB that he personally didnt mean any harm. These guys figured it out but All to often fans on each side start stuff with a post like yours ruining a pretty good thread. Please dont take it as me jumping on you but you cannot read this thread and come to the conclusions you portray in your post so 1) its a misinterpretation on your part or 2) its meanness

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Old Jul 21, 2005 | 08:50 AM
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Originally Posted by blitz118
That's' great and all, but not everyone wants to use Buschur parts. There are more than enough quality aftermarket parts out there to choose from, so I see no reason why anyone should stick to just one manufacturer of parts. The EVO has been in Japan for years and they make alot of horsepower in Japan with various tuners and not one of them is running Buschur parts.

Please don't be baised when I bring you my car to be flashed because it doesn't have any Buschur parts on it.
If you have questions regarding Al's flashing service please either post them in his section of the forum or send him a PM.

Al, awesome numbers. Good luck this weekend. Hopefully you can raise the Evolution VIII bar a few notches.

-Paul
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Old Jul 21, 2005 | 11:20 AM
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Not going to jump down your throat Str8Ryda, but your last post (as well as many other posts in this thread) was totally off topic.

I can't speak for David, but normally for a full race setup like this it is custom made to the customers needs. You call him up, tell him what size inlet and outlet pipes you want, and all the other concerns/questions you have. If he answeres to your satisfaction you buy his product.... if he doesn't answere to your satisfaction you buy someone elses product that you feel more comfortable with.

Either way, please leave it out of this thread.

Keith
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Old Jul 21, 2005 | 01:17 PM
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Well it's cool whatever i'll drop it. Well Al i'll see you Aug 12 for a custom tune. Please dont blow my car up because i dont have buschur parts see ya!
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Old Jul 21, 2005 | 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by bpclements
The videos won't play on Windows Media Player. Anyone else having problems playing the vids?
try this bro:
http://www.videolan.org/vlc/download-windows.html

open source software. ooo yeah.

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Old Jul 21, 2005 | 05:26 PM
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I had to try it again and avoid the boost on the corner

http://files.implux.net/dynoflash/Ne.../exitramp1.wmv
whoah. this video really gave me the impression of speed and power. i felt a little shot of adrenaline hit my bloodstream while watching this one. sweet.

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