The EJ25 isn't nearly as good as the 4g63? Just ask Big Valley what they think of the EJ25.

The EJ25's major downside is the cast pistons. Other than that, it's a perfectly good setup.

If you're going to make claims, make truthful ones.

 

I can't help ya there, Bro. If you're married though, I think Progressive's rates are pretty decent. I've been with State Farm for nearly 15 years, and even with discounts and whatnot, Progressive was slightly cheaper than what State Farm is. The only reason I bother to stay with State Farm is because I have my home owner insurance with them as well.

 

humm... that is a built motor isnt it?? i havent seen any USDM STIs making 500-600 whp with stock internals. Evos do it all the time. If you build and sleve a motor any motor will make power. Most sits i have seen have issues @ 400 whp. Just look at the number of 10 sec evos with just gt35r turbo kit and full interior. It cant be done on the STI with stock block. Hell people are running mid 11s with stock turbo on the evo. Ive never heard of an STi getting into 11s on stock block and stock turbo. Correct me if i am wrong.

 

If the rumor is true that the 4g63 will be replaced when the EVO X debuts, then both the Sube and the EVO will have an all aluminum and possibly open deck design. I really hope that Mitsu sticks with the 4g63.

 

Is the EJ25 open deck or closed deck design? In a turbo set-up an open deck designed engine can not be as good as a closed deck design. That is why most honda engines are sleeved when they go turbo.

 

They had to have screwed up driving the STI. The motortrend article I saw had them both at 4.5 seconds 0-60. The EVO got a 13.3 1/4, and the STI got a 13.0. Just depends on driver or they got a crappy test car.

 

Regardless of who's numbers the suby looks like sh**!!!

 

As I've told people before, we usually make five runs in a vehicle and then move on the the next because of the high number of vehicles we test (300 vehicles/50 weeks). I'd still challenge that many or most of the drivers couldn't get those numbers in five runs on a vehicle they've never driven before.

 

the the ej 25 is a open deck.. aluminum block.. hence the fact that its weaker. its a fact.. there is no way anyoen can say the ej 25 is as good as a 4g63 stock for stock.

 

I GUARANTEE a 4G63 will hold more power then the EJ25, GUARANTEE. That block is nowhere near as strong, all aluminum, and not a closed deck. Try to make 550WHP on a 100% stock bottom end, just try it

 

I must agree, both magazines still have the ratings as neck and neck. One chose the Evo and the other chose the STI. But both agreed, it all comes down to what the person likes better. Neither gave significant advantage to either car. My friends.... it is still what one person likes over the other. But i think we know where we all stand

 

well i guess he knows hes wrong now.

 

Give me the cash, and I will.

As for the Big Valley motor being "built," so what? It's an EJ25. I don't see stock 4g63s putting out 700+ hp either, so your point is what? Once you get into big hp #s, it's all about who has the most money.

 

Well, I got a 13.1 @ 104 on my first try in the 05 MR, so it's definitely doable. You're right that most people can't/don't do that, but your answer here does not touch on my suggestion. I said the driver should be given more opportunities just to figure out how to launch with a 5k limiter. That's nothing like just trying to launch a new car...it's completely different since it doesn't allow you to get to the proper launch rpm and requires a special technique. He obviously didn't figure it out, because a 105.9mph trap speed is good for 12.6-12.7 if driven properly. I personally ran 12.64 @ 106.00 in my 05 with a few mods. If I was making 105.9mph in stock form, that would have been a 12.7 or so, but only with the 5k limiter disconnected, since I've never learned to launch with the 5k limiter.

It's just unfortunate that such low numbers are being posted in such a widely-read magazine, when we know they're not factual in terms of what the car REALLY does.

 

We are talking about STOCK bottom end and maximum HP. We know that the 4g63 is IRON block and CLOSED DECK. The EJ25 is all aluminum and semi-closed deck. There is no way in hell that the Sube block can hold as much power as the Mitsu block. These are FACTS that no matter how loyal to Sube you are will not change.

No body is flaming the STI. It is a great car. But its engine has more limits stock than the 4g63 does.