I agree that it would be hard to regulate the new "unneeded" posts. But a question like which exhaust does not really need to be asked. They are all basically the same so it's a matter of preference and looks if we can provide them a basic knowlege of exhaust design and theory in an article first. I think the biggest problem is the search needs to be changed so that the basic search is set to only search title and not text. We could have an advanced search that would allow you to search anything like it is now. I know I can word for word post the title to my own thread and not get it in my resutls. The problem is we are at the mercy of vbulletin for changes like these unless the hacks already exist.

 

One thing I will say bout what Mr. Stock wrote is that the ability to read and write is the basis for all required education in this country. If someone thinks thier slang is cool then they need to realize that many of us will not even bother to read it, let alone think that a technical answer will be understood by them. It ruins thier credibility on the forum when they are too lazy to use punctuation and form complete sentences. Why suddenly would thier language be aceptable because it's on the internet when they never got away with it in school or any business that I know of except maybe slinging drugs.

 

I think the issue with the "truth squad" is that realistically, you need to be appointed, and not by your 3 friends. The core of the squad honestly should be Warrtalon, and he should basically choose his minions.

If not, I just see it as "OOOH OOOH ME ILL JOIN ILL JOIN".

 

Well put...along these lines has anyone visited the rennlist board(porches)? They actualy have spell check as a quick reply option... Now that is being e-correct.

 

I agree with this. The list is already questionable. I know that smogrunner's plan was not to create a real club or group per se, but rather an understanding among people with like-mindedness. To be successful, I think it's of vital importance to limit membership on a nomination basis while also keeping membership to a minimum, else it gets diluted and cumbersome to manage.

 

Wow, I just read through all that stuff.....I am trying to be as unbiased as possible here and it is very hard not to realize that the mod's and truth squad have great points. I think the best idea was that of making sticky's for things like exhaust, bov, intake, reflash, etc. Why not guys like Smogrunner and Warrtalon (yes I spelled it right LOL ) do something like this. It would eliminate alot of uneccessary "newbie" questions and help them as well. I think this is the best thing for both sides. The only aspect that won't be fixed is Vendors coming in to the EVO engine turbo drivetrain forum and influencing other members...as well as fighting with each other. So Mod's what do you suggest for that??

 

I am considering doing big write-ups on Exhaust, BOV, and "first mods," but I have very strong beliefs on what is right and what is best, so I will need assistance in order to provide a less-biased and more comprehensive review so that it is potentially beneficial to everyone, even those who prefer to spend twice as much on titanium cat-backs and VTA BOVs, much to my dismay...

 

[QUOTE=EVOONYOASS]I almost my drink when I started reading this.
The small problem with this idea is that some of the "truth squad" as you like to call it at some point in time will handle something the wrong way.

I have on many occasions agreed with what the person was saying, but the way they approached/handled the situation was uncalled for. A certain maturity level should be used while responding to people instead of letting certain comments throw them into a spat of insults.

You shouldn't let someones comment frustrate you to a point that you say something you know you shouldn't. Hell, I have done it myself. I myself at one time was frustrated at different people's comments. I asked myself why should I care what they say, its their opinion whether its right, wrong, truth, or fiction.

For instance, If someone on here wants to think an Evolution VIII can outrun a Z06 on a road course, so be it... but I know that's not the truth. Let him believe what he wants. Who am I to rip him a new bunghole for making that comment.




Now that's the Truth ! I really try to avoid getting emotional as well...and it's tough. Might be biting a bit too much off gents. More power to you though. It is a good idea though. Unfortunately I can see it becoming a "Vendor Venturi" of negativity, especially if someone has a disagreement with a product or service that they took issue with. If the 6th Grade language, put downs and name calling were to cease I for one would be happier. Sorry, I meant 3rd grade.

 

Thank you!

 

If you can get something together, then let me know. We can get it up in an area where everyone can get to it easily.

 

I agree but if you have opinions from several people like yourself that are nomintated on EVOM than they could make there decision from there. Maybe limit it to 5 or less people on each topic. PS I can't wait for my titainium exhaust and vta bov, my forge recirc and B&B exhaust are to quiet/discrete.

 

I think it would be better to try to make the EvoM community better as a whole, rather then create a new subgroup within it. Though, I am sure that is in effect what you are trying to do by creating the Truth Squad and so be it, I would definitely be interested in what a qualified member has to say who isn't a mod or vendor, but I guess I can figure out who those people are simply by reading what they have to say, their track record and so forth. I imagine that is what the "guru" label is for.

As far as bettering the community, I get tired of the noob posts too. The bench racing, the X vs. Y stuff, reposts, threads in the worng placethe wild speculation without any sort of proof. But I understand that it comes with the territory. You can either have it an open forum like it is, or try to turn into a NABR style invitation only thing, but I imagine it will stay a lot closer to the former.

 

not to get away from the topic...but I think that warrtalon is well deserving of that EvoM Guru tag...whether some like him or not the guy is one never ending boatload of intelligent information

 

I think would be a good idea. A lot of us have different experiences and expertise with the cars as well, some drag, like Warrtalon, some roadrace, autocross, etc., like myself. Getting some sort of post together with the pros and cons of certain standard "first" mods would be super beneficial to many newbs, and it would prevent a lot of garbage posting. I would be more than happy to contribute roadrace, autocross experiences and best set-ups from my standpoint.

I do, however, think the mods have a point in that we all do jump on the newb instantly and keep bumping their post to the frontpage to slam them. Although sometimes, the mods should have shut down accounts way before stuff got out of hand (*cough FastestEver *cough) Anyways, I think something along these lines is a great idea, and not only that, but this is a thread thats close to 7 pages long now with all these people in here and no real BS yet. Its been civilized and most posts well thought-out and spelled correctly. I'm down for whatever this project morphs into. This board has given me a lot of info, and will hopefully continue to do so for others newbs without turning into a wasteland of comical banter and useless chit-chat. My opinion...

 

Therein lies the problem. How often do you see any of the tagged Gurus responding to threads in Evo General? Almost never. The only one I ever see is MalibuJack, but even he limits his responses. These guys don't waste their time with the ramptant idio...um...lack of knowledge and repeated noob questions that pop up constantly. You have people like me who frankly couldn't sniff MalibuJack's jockstrap in terms of knowledge who aren't quite at the guru level, but who are able to help a ton of people with basic-to-moderate knowledge. I think this is what this group is all about, because we are still actually making an effort to help on a daily basis as opposed to the gurus who, frankly, appear to be too fed up with the general populace to provide direct support on a regular basis. They also have their own guru forum where they converse, but I've never seen it, so I don't know what they talk about.